• Nakoichi [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      The second and third place candidates dropping out before super Tuesday to endorse the fourth place candidate pretty much completed my radicalization.

      • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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        4 years ago

        After that candidate won their first state ever, in 3 presidential runs, and it was South Carolina, a state that will vote for Trump over Biden by 10 points. That's who effectively picked the Democratic candidate, not the previous 3 Democratic-voting northern states where Biden was blown the fuck out in favor of Bernie.

        How anyone can consider this anything close to a democracy is beyond me. How is it a Democracy when we routinely end up with two candidates everyone hates?

        • EnsignRedshirt [he/him]
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          4 years ago

          This last couple of election cycles have been, in the most fucked up hellworld way, very cathartic for that reason. The evidence that the US electoral system is wildly undemocratic has been there all along, but the mainstream sentiment has always maintained that the US is a functioning democracy. I'm sure plenty of people still see it that way, but this past couple of years has proven beyond any doubt that even if voters might decide the outcome of an election (sort of, barely), they have no real impact on who actually represents them. Everything from the DNC fuckery to the DCCC progressive challenge blacklist has proven, out int he open, that the people in power are willing to allow people to choose exclusively between pre-approved options, like you would do with a toddler. I now have no qualms about having a conversation with someone about the fact that the US electoral system isn't a real democracy, because it very blatantly isn't.

          • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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            4 years ago

            Yeah, the illusion is slipping so hard even normie libs are realizing it, such as all of us libs on this website.

    • Lovely_sombrero [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Warren wouldn't even be praised in the media as "the plans" candidate if there was no Bernie to take votes away from.

  • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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    4 years ago

    Bernie entered the race AFTER Warren

    Bernie's been running for President since 2015 you fucking dumbass. And the only reason he didn't get in earlier than that was because he was waiting for Warren to take her shot against Hillary.

    Christ. The Warren-Bernie feud has to be in the Top 10 Anime Betrayals. Sanders would have had her back twice over now if she hadn't sold out.

    • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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      4 years ago

      Defeating universal healthcare was just that important for Liz.

      People think I'm joking, I'm not joking. This whole time, I think she has actually been a trojan horse meant to sabotage universal healthcare from the left. Her platform was straight up lying about Medicare For All, she blew smoke up everyone's asses when she said she'd spend her first four years "fixing the ACA" and then, if she was reelected, she would pass Medicare For All. In other words, she's claiming she would spend her first 4 years working on something her next 4 years would completely replace, making that 4 years of "fixing" a total waste of time. It would be like me promising to turn my car into a boat after I finish putting wheels and a lowrider body kit on it.

      • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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        4 years ago

        This whole time, I think she has actually been a trojan horse meant to sabotage universal healthcare from the left.

        I think if she'd be more serious about sabotaging the Left, she wouldn't have taken such a hard right turn during the primaries. Her primary appeal among leftists was her hostile attitude towards the retail financial sector. She was never particularly progressive on health care or civil rights or foreign policy. She wasn't notably to the left on energy or infrastructure. She was a Harvard educated economist with some reformist views on banking and lending. That's it.

        People got excited at someone who wasn't an obvious cut-out for Wall Street. That's more an indictment of the state of American Leftism than of Warren's politics. And if she let people believe what they wanted to believe, well... every politician does that.

        What Warren did accomplish was both change the debate on finances. She did a good job of rebutting a lot of the Wall Street bullshit on predatory lending somehow being good for people. And she re-introduced the idea of Postal Banking, which leftists could leverage into real functional quality policy in the not-entirely-distant future.

        She still sucked as a politician and as a human being, but not so much that she couldn't take back a Massachusetts Senate seat. And she chewed out Michael Bloomberg on national television, which I appreciate.

        Warren had a real opportunity at a national profile and leadership in a Left Wing style populist Tea Party if she'd wanted it. But she didn't want it. She wasn't sabotaging anyone except herself, in the end.

        • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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          4 years ago

          Warren is the world's biggest Karen and she wants to talk to the manager of all banks, basically.

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            4 years ago

            Her plans for the CFPB had enough teeth to terrify the financial sector leadership and prompt Republicans to pull them. On that one thing, she seemed good.

            • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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              4 years ago

              She is good at that one thing, that's why we should make her head of the SEC so she can make Wall Street's life hell. It's the only thing she authentically supports.

    • iacari [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Stop thinking about things, I'll have you know that everybody started from zero when they each announced their campaigns! Nobody knew who Bernie was before February!

    • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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      4 years ago

      Because they told themselves Bernie was only popular because of his, uhh, *uniquely charming personality?

      So they can't understand when people don't continue to follow Bernie like a lost dog after he dropped out.

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    4 years ago

    this kind of desperate rationalization has to wear on these people, doesn't it?

    • CertifiedFreak [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Maybe the idea that national electoral politics are built to resist fundamental change is too incomprehensible for them so they do mental gymnastics in an attempt to rationalize their broken thought

  • PresterJohnBrown [any]
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    4 years ago

    How dare the most popular politician in America run for president AFTER a woman has entered the race! Disgusting sexist pig!

  • RedArmor [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This has been hashed out a million times already and this particular take has galaxy brain level of wisdom.