The melatonin and i-pad time generation is gonna be deeply unwell holy
I feel like if a sizeable chunk of children are having to take sleep-aids it's a pretty good sign that shit is fucked.
[Intro]
What a drag it is getting old[Verse 1]
"Kids are different today," I hear every parent say
Children need something today to calm them down
And though they're not really ill, there's a little yellow pill[Refrain]
We go running for the shelter of our parent's little helper
And it helps them on their way, gets them through their kiddie day
I’ve suffered with addiction and am currently struggling to figure out how to give me kids a chance at not doing the same without alienating them entirely from their peers.
It would be cool if the default parenting style wasn’t to gift toddlers skinner boxes and feed them cocaine juice all day
The amount of kids I see getting coffee drinks at Starbucks is crazy, not sure why the parents can't just get them a juice or hot chocolate
That’s the thing. Juice and hot chocolate are also pumped full of extra sugar. In some cases a kid with ADHD would be better off drinking a coffee than a hot chocolate
True, at least compared with an actual coffee vs the caffeinated milkshakes that Starbucks pumps out
For sure. I love a good caffeinated milkshake, but I also love a weed gummy or a shroom tea and I’m not about to give those to my kids
My kids aren’t quite at the age to talk about drugs. I’m more worried about other addictive behaviors. I’m comfortable with the drugs conversation. But social media addiction? Gambling in the form of exploitative video game microtransactions? That shit is so normalized even in games designed for toddlers
Yeah, I had a video game addiction and missed a large chunk of high school. That stuff is real
It would be cool if the default parenting style wasn’t to gift toddlers skinner boxes and feed them cocaine juice all day
:jesus-christ: it do be that way
I bet a lot of these are because the melatonin is a delicious gummy.
and for a child the safe dose would be like, less than half of one of those gummies
I was suggesting that ODs were related to the drug being packaged like candy.
- give kids access to software designed to constantly undermine their attention through manipulative design. Don't blame Google OK?
- keep them at home or doing some adult supervised activity 24/7. Unsupervised play among their peers is dangerous, they could be kidnapped!
- school is just a giant prep course for a series of standardized tests. If your kid sees no point in that, though luck!
- kid can't focus/sleep/is acting out? Give them drugs!
- what do you mean this is not how humans have developed for most of their existence?
- Oh, so you want out? OK, how much cash do you have??? :porky-happy:
keep in mind I'm a dipshit who has never had to raise a kid, but things look bleak indeed.
The internet has destroyed my circadian rhythm, and yet all the sane, non lib people I know are all on the internet. Hoist by my own petard...
If your kid sees no point in that, though luck!
I'm not defending teaching to maximize standardized test scores but kids don't see the point in a lot of things that are objectively good for them and they should be made to do.
When I was a kid I didn't see the point in eating vegetables, and in retrospect I'm glad that my parents sat me down at the table and made me eat my greens.
For the study, Lelak and her colleagues collected data on more than 260,000 children poisoned by melatonin who were reported to the American Association of Poison Control Centers' National Poison Data System from Jan. 1, 2012, to Dec. 31, 2021. Over that time, poisonings increased from about 8,340 in 2012 to nearly 53,000 in 2021
This can’t be real, how the fuck 20 percent of kids getting poisoned?Ah, can’t read for shit, it’s describing how one fifth of poisoned kids occurred in one tenth of time
Melatonin is packaged in doses that are quite literally 10 to 100 times larger than the minimum effective dose in a large adult human.
edit to add: it's also a powerful psychoactive drug that's treated like a vitamin
i've been tapering for a month now. it's unreal how much they put in capsules and how little quality control there is. i finally found some low dose liquid shit which i basically dose by taking a tiny droplet on my tongue. about 10 micrograms
it’s also a powerful psychoactive drug that’s treated like a vitamin
Lol it’s done nothing to me and I’ve taken like 30 mg at a time
be me:
take way too much coffee to stay awake at work :maduro-coffee:
also be me:
take way too much melatonin to fall asleep at night :lenin-sleeping:
:agony-limitless:
I'm in the same boat as the person you're replying to and the answer for me is no.
It just doesn't effect me
Interesting. There are unfortunately a few cursed individuals for whom it seems certain serotonergic (and apparently melatonergic) drugs simply do not function. I vaporized DMT with a guy who was completely unaffected by that and cannabis. He claimed absolutely no change in his cognition or perception after inhaling and holding in a dosage that sent me to a space occupied by an ethereal duck-god and its array of unrecognizable/incomprehensible machinery. I have a lot of sympathy for those afflicted with such exceptional responses to these tools.
I'm overwhelmingly sensitive to everything else, especially Cannabis, so it's probably more complicated than that. Never done DMT but Salvia sent me to the building blocks of reality of few times. seems specific to melatonin. I have a bonafide sleep disorder though with insomnia that'll keep me up for days at a time, so I always assumed it was related to that.
Ah, i can’t read for shit, thought it was not poisoned kids selection, but using melatonin
In https://news.mit.edu/1999/melatonin-1103 , "She also said that one of the trickier aspects of choosing an appropriate dose of melatonin for use as a sleep aid is that "normal" melatonin levels vary widely among individuals and the same dose of the hormone can induce different levels depending on the individual's age or health. She recommends measuring individual melatonin levels, or, if this is not feasible, starting with a tiny dose (0.1 mg) and gradually increasing it until the desired effect is noticed."
I don't think the SFN publishes their talks and posters as journal articles and I had trouble finding the paper I remembered from my stint as a neuroscience grad student years ago. In that article, they ran an experiment whose goal was identifying minimum effective dosages in humans and came up with 100 micrograms as a dose that works for most people, with the vast majority (i.e., > 95%) of people responding to 300 micrograms.
i've read that melatonin isn't even a great supplement for sleep aid
I just saw this shit in one of those displays in the middle of an aisle at a Walmart. What the fuck
