I don't listen to much Punk (I've always been more of a reggae dude) but you couldn't be more correct in that it's impossible to distill 40 plus years of music into one band. Also, even if you don't like Punk the impact it had in the post punk world is undeniable. New Wave, Goth, Industrial, Electronic Dance, and New Romantic were all directly birthed from the Punk movement. Previous generation styles like Ska, Rockabilly and Folk were also revitalized by adding elements of Punk either musically or just in ethos (though some could debate this was de-evolution like in the case of 3rd Wave Ska which often is just Punk with Horns).
Anyhow, I urge everyone to listen to London Calling all the way through before closing your minds to what a Punk band could acheive sonically. Or just listen to Youth Brigade and realize that the same shit people are bitching about now (cops beating on people, fascism, dystopian future) were pretty well covered 40 years ago.
wait, youre kidding? Jello is a Warren supporter? lol I used to listen to his spoken words like 20 years ago and that shit was straight up theory. Looks like Boomer Brain is a real and takes no prisoners.
It is a bad take. Maybe one of the worst I have ever seen ever. What punk music have you been recommended before, and what sort of music do you like regularly? Its a very broad genre and we can probably find something there aligned with your tastes, even if you hate guitars, or fast music.
Chumbawumba has some really nice things to say about British royalty, among other things. Pretty good.
Bad Religion is just a very good constant with little bad I could point out.
I've not heard much bad about NOFX.
AntiFlag is good music for certain moods.
I think I'm forgetting like 10 other bands I listen to, but I don't follow english bands as much. I have 10 more singing in German I could recommend, but currently I'm more into folk punk when it comes to english.
And that genre is just fucking amazing.
https://youtu.be/EEdvwJtkvG0 here is a good video dunking on sex pistols
I'm not really personally a fan of a lot of punk rock, but Nomeansno and Propaghandi are pretty awesome (and their politics seems to have remained good), even if neither is really a "pure" punk group
also I'd be pretty bummed if we never got post-punk bands like Talking Heads and the Cure, and all of the genre's derivatives
I'm not a punk aficionado so, I'm definitely talking out of my ass here.
But there's the punk rock that has the asthetic and their songs are about something. Then there's the punk rock that is just edgelordism in music form right?
Dada was pretty much saying, "shitting on a canvas" is nor more/less art than some fancy reniassance painting that is viewed as "art" because a bunch of rich high class people say its art.
stripped down raw rock music with no pretenses in terms of technical ability so theoretically anyone can play it
And as I understanding Dadaism, this seems to fall in line with it. Not sure if I know enough to make a claim about any direct influence by Dadaism directly to Punk, but I could absolutely see a situation of parallel evolution.
The higher minded punx may be influenced by Dada but there’s also just a lot of dumb guys writing songs about some goth lady they have a crush on and the cool thing about punk is it’s all equally valid.
Or singing a song about abortion from the perspective of a fetus, screaming about not wanting to be aborted. :Bodies-by-the-Sex-Pistols:
Punk is reactionary by nature. It basically started because a bunch of pissed off teens didn't have the attention span for prog rock, and formed a reactionary kind of music based on that.
I'm not saying that somewhere out there, there isn't a good punk band. I'm sure there is. I also dig the anti establishment angle of punk. But over all, it's not my thing.
Really, if we had the chance to switch it all around, I'd rather Marx/Engels had used some other word besides reactionary. Reactive is good for the common understanding of 'reactionary' though. I suppose their problem was that the reactionaries were reactive with a desire to return to status quo ante, hah. I wonder what the german word it is translated from... :thinkin-lenin:
"we replaced your uninteresting pretentious dogshit with music that is 2x more uninteresting pretentious dogshit" Is this what Adorno meant by negative dialectics?
Finding the roots of punk is like trying to herd cats. I am very into garage rock and Detroit rock, so I have an appreciation for the roots of punk. I don't know where they lose me, but where I pick it up again would make punk fans cringe. I like MXPX and old Green Day. That's kind of about it.
Thats because 'good punk rock' isnt easily accessibe, you wont find it on the radio or at virgin records or wherever else is selling popular CDs now, you have to actively seek it out. Theres tons of great punk bands both musically and lyrically. Heres some that verys from very hardcore/crust, to melodic.
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I don't listen to much Punk (I've always been more of a reggae dude) but you couldn't be more correct in that it's impossible to distill 40 plus years of music into one band. Also, even if you don't like Punk the impact it had in the post punk world is undeniable. New Wave, Goth, Industrial, Electronic Dance, and New Romantic were all directly birthed from the Punk movement. Previous generation styles like Ska, Rockabilly and Folk were also revitalized by adding elements of Punk either musically or just in ethos (though some could debate this was de-evolution like in the case of 3rd Wave Ska which often is just Punk with Horns).
Anyhow, I urge everyone to listen to London Calling all the way through before closing your minds to what a Punk band could acheive sonically. Or just listen to Youth Brigade and realize that the same shit people are bitching about now (cops beating on people, fascism, dystopian future) were pretty well covered 40 years ago.
Dead Kennedys should be on your list imo no song encapsulates living in modern capitalism quite as tidily as ‘At My Job’
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wait, youre kidding? Jello is a Warren supporter? lol I used to listen to his spoken words like 20 years ago and that shit was straight up theory. Looks like Boomer Brain is a real and takes no prisoners.
It is a bad take. Maybe one of the worst I have ever seen ever. What punk music have you been recommended before, and what sort of music do you like regularly? Its a very broad genre and we can probably find something there aligned with your tastes, even if you hate guitars, or fast music.
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Its no problem to post bad takes I do it all the time almost every post
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Chumbawumba has some really nice things to say about British royalty, among other things. Pretty good.
Bad Religion is just a very good constant with little bad I could point out.
I've not heard much bad about NOFX.
AntiFlag is good music for certain moods.
I think I'm forgetting like 10 other bands I listen to, but I don't follow english bands as much. I have 10 more singing in German I could recommend, but currently I'm more into folk punk when it comes to english.
And that genre is just fucking amazing.
https://youtu.be/EEdvwJtkvG0 here is a good video dunking on sex pistols
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I'm not really personally a fan of a lot of punk rock, but Nomeansno and Propaghandi are pretty awesome (and their politics seems to have remained good), even if neither is really a "pure" punk group
also I'd be pretty bummed if we never got post-punk bands like Talking Heads and the Cure, and all of the genre's derivatives
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Maybe punk as a genre is like Dadaism. It might be useful in challenging what is considered "art" but beyond that... there's not much else behind it.
Uhhhhh no its very good to listen to and makes a person feel good. 'Useful' art lol
I'm not a punk aficionado so, I'm definitely talking out of my ass here.
But there's the punk rock that has the asthetic and their songs are about something. Then there's the punk rock that is just edgelordism in music form right?
Dada was pretty much saying, "shitting on a canvas" is nor more/less art than some fancy reniassance painting that is viewed as "art" because a bunch of rich high class people say its art.
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And as I understanding Dadaism, this seems to fall in line with it. Not sure if I know enough to make a claim about any direct influence by Dadaism directly to Punk, but I could absolutely see a situation of parallel evolution.
Or singing a song about abortion from the perspective of a fetus, screaming about not wanting to be aborted. :Bodies-by-the-Sex-Pistols:
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Yes and yes.
it's useful for fuckin shit up. if there's art that achieves something higher i'd like to see it.
There is an intensity and rawness to it that is quite nifty.
it's not what punk has become lol. johnny rotten hasn't been relevant in decades. listen to jeff rosenstock asshole
listen to fuckin G.L.O.S.S.
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Chumbawamba too. There's a ton of punk that's essentially just theory with a rock/folk backing track.
They even had a record mocking the sex pistols
Punk is reactionary by nature. It basically started because a bunch of pissed off teens didn't have the attention span for prog rock, and formed a reactionary kind of music based on that.
I'm not saying that somewhere out there, there isn't a good punk band. I'm sure there is. I also dig the anti establishment angle of punk. But over all, it's not my thing.
it's not "reactionary by nature" you square listen to the clash or something
Take it down a notch buddy. That was a pretty reactionary comment to prove that punks aren't reactionary
sorry I'm a little drunk lol
It's all good. I do it too
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I’m going to be a semantics Stalin here but ‘reactionary’ doesn’t mean ‘one who reacts’ but ‘one who wants a return to status quo ante’.
You're right. What word are we looking for here?
I wish I could wave a magic wand and make "reactionary" mean what it sounds like it means.
Probably just reactive is the word (opposite of proactive)
Really, if we had the chance to switch it all around, I'd rather Marx/Engels had used some other word besides reactionary. Reactive is good for the common understanding of 'reactionary' though. I suppose their problem was that the reactionaries were reactive with a desire to return to status quo ante, hah. I wonder what the german word it is translated from... :thinkin-lenin:
"we replaced your uninteresting pretentious dogshit with music that is 2x more uninteresting pretentious dogshit" Is this what Adorno meant by negative dialectics?
It's weird when theory shows up in completely useless ways, and in something that is an arbitrary opinion like this
BMF never fails to miss
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Finding the roots of punk is like trying to herd cats. I am very into garage rock and Detroit rock, so I have an appreciation for the roots of punk. I don't know where they lose me, but where I pick it up again would make punk fans cringe. I like MXPX and old Green Day. That's kind of about it.
Thats because 'good punk rock' isnt easily accessibe, you wont find it on the radio or at virgin records or wherever else is selling popular CDs now, you have to actively seek it out. Theres tons of great punk bands both musically and lyrically. Heres some that verys from very hardcore/crust, to melodic.
More hardcore/screamy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg6CHLDCeNs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNDlx-gu7qM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8q1wHLWrJQ
More melody:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp4UzDrem3E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUs3HcD6yHY&t=25s