it was my fault guys i voted for bernie :deeper-sadness:

It fundamentally doesn't affect them (they can go anywhere they need for medical care) and it's red meat for their base. All the rationale they need.

i think it's mostly a mix of 1 and 3 - call it clerical fascism, call it dominionism, call it "literally Gilead", that's what the US brand of nazism is rapidly shaping up to be. there's some 2, but mostly when it comes to how much they think this may affect themselves or somebody close to them.

as useful as a strictly materialist analysis is, we need to avoid the mistake of viewing everybody at all times as a rational actor. people are emotional, people make mistakes, people have false consciousness and brainworms, and false consciousness and brainworms are actively encouraged in the USA with the biggest agitprop machinery in human history. the chuds act out of a deep ideological conviction. they are at the point where they are fully buying into their own propaganda now, and it'll only get worse and more fanatic and more frothing-at-the-mouth unhinged from here on out. this will have catastrophic effects in the short term, it will also be the chuds' undoing in the long term - the former because they are beyond restraint and beyond being argued with, the latter because they quickly turn into unthinking, easily fooled berserkers that will shoot themselves in the foot just like the OG nazis did.

Prepare for the worst, but stay calm and level-headed. Leave the blind frenzy to the hogs and be ready to be an ice cold mfer instead.

I think there's also an element of, the ruling class doesn't necessarily care one way or another, but whipping up the hogs over it means more people will be on board with right wing control of the court. Now that they have what they wanted, they don't have a reason not to give the chuds what they promised, it doesn't cost them a dime.

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The ruling class doesn't need to explicitly scheme decades-long stratagems of that nature. They sometimes try to, but they are also, themselves, influenced by material forces and the societal monsters they have created. The ruling class is full of chucklefucks and cynical strategists and true believers committed to the cause.

A good way to understand their influence is as creating conditions in which certain things are probable, certain things possible, certain things improbable, and the rest impossible. They make some things a sure bet through bribery, but for the most part their true power is in, for example, making it literally impossible for a city to properly shut down to deal with COVID, as their budgets are dependent on businesses being open and therefore for us all to breathe into each others' mouths. They created those conditions by financializing the fuck out of the country and preventing any coherent capital investment strategies to deal with a months-to-years long crisis, as that money instead goes to their neoliberalized shit.

Others have good examples of cultural and material interest cases, where the American ruling class is embedded in patriarchal and racist interests. This is true, and the ruling class is full of racist people, but they don't even need to personally be so, nor do they need to cynically plan out a racist strategy on purpose: they just need to create the conditions in which racist and patriarchical policies can survive, where they can be promote to serve their own interests, even though it creates monsters and violence and death.

To give an individualized example, the factory owner telling white people that "Mexicans" are taking their jobs is surely racist, but the reason they are doing that is because the white people are pissed at getting fired and laid off by the company, and the company needs a scapegoat. Racism just provides a useful context in which that scapegoating can succeed. Without it, they would need to find another or succumb to the workers' demands, and the ruling class is constantly fighting battles to avoid doing so, as it means cutting into their profits and control. The ruling class doesn't have to get together in a meeting every month to discuss how their 27-layer scapegoating strategy is working, they just pay people to make these "problems" go away based on their bottom lines and understanding of the world.

Ending Roe isn't coherently in the interest of the ruling class, but it's allowable by it under the conditions they have created.

i'd place a lot of blame on jesus this is the result of an explicitly christian ideological project decided by a pack of mad catholics on the court

and yankee catholics are the least hinged on earth

It’s means (popular issue to get support) to an end (gutting regulations, simplifying business). Prolly with some mix of legit christian oligarchs seeing it as an end, but seemingly small

US history is in many ways the story of the capitalist class leveraging white reactionaries to accomplish their objectives. But the hogs can't live on propaganda alone. You gotta feed them every so often. For a while it was ripping land away from the native inhabitants and doling it out like candy to white folks. They don't have any more land to hand out but the capitalists can make still buy the loyalty of white reactionaries with cheap treats, a military force that keeps their white enclaves free of non-white people (i.e. the "police"), and letting them feel like they're a big deal by letting them victories in the social sphere (like abortion).

A shit load of people here are missing out on white supremacy as a factor.

They can get all the labour they want from migration, without including white supremacy as a factor you can not explain the ruling class having a desire to birth children instead of taking migrant labour. They want white children, it is economically easier to take migration but those are the wrong kind of children.

They will move towards actions that raise white babies and they will build a system that allows them sterilise black women, all the talk about Chinese force sterilisations was projection and pre-loading.

4. Owning the libs.

better question: how is the modern family a superstructure which floats above the material base of patriarchal capitalism? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Origin_of_the_Family,_Private_Property_and_the_State

According to Morgan, the rise of alienable property disempowered women by triggering a switch to patrilocal residence and patrilineal descent:

It thus reversed the position of the wife and mother in the household; she was of a different gens from her children, as well as her husband; and under monogamy was now isolated from her gentile kindred, living in the separate and exclusive house of her husband. Her new condition tended to subvert and destroy that power and influence which descent in the female line and the joint-tenement houses had created. — Morgan, Lewis H. (1881). Houses and house-life of the American Aborigines. Chicago and London: University of Chicago Press. p. 128.

Engels added political impact to all this, describing the "overthrow of mother right" as "the world-historic defeat of the female sex"; he attributed this defeat to the onset of farming and pastoralism. In reaction, most twentieth-century social anthropologists considered the theory of matrilineal priority untenable,

There is an element that is just reinforcing the idea that the state has control over bodily autonomy, and we are seeing similar things with their anti-trans legislation.

Don't underestimate the power of messages like "we decide what to do with your body and can enforce it"

It also reinforces the power of the patriarchy, being a single parent is hard and pregnant people are the most at risk for abuse. Once you've had a kid with someone they have a lot of power over you through the kid. An abuser can rape someone and use that as leverage over someone for a long time.

Capitalists use the right like guard dogs to push for anti-labor policies. Sometimes the capitalists throw in anti-social policies as a bone to keep the right content, because at the end of the day it won’t affect the capitalists. This relationship works most of the time because even if a righter isn’t a capitalist themselves, oftentimes their politics overlap enough.

However, the right is only a sustainable guard dog so long as it’s leash is short, but in order to be an effective guard dog it’s power must increase (contradiction :isaac-pog:). Eventually the right becomes so powerful that they push through policies that are so short-sighted or backwards that they ultimately hurt capitalists, even if they increase capitalists wealth in the short-term. That is the inherent unsustainable nature of fascism.

So anti-abortion is one of these anti-social policies that the right has pushed through after amassing enough power by being the guard dog of Capital. It’s not something that directly benefits the capitalists, and will probably actually hurt them in the long term, but it is something that benefits the fascists that benefit the capitalists. We got to this point because the fascists’ leash has gotten too long.

I think 1 was the engine that drove this home. Those people have been the support base keeping that effort going for half a century. It was useful to keep them all activated with voting.

I also think it's no coincidence that those same conservative SC judges that overturned Roe are also trying take a sledgehammer to the regulatory state. I don't think the elite give a damn one way or another about the labor pool. They're fine with outsourcing jobs and importing cheap labor. But for every 1 social issue case like Roe, there are 20 allow-Nestle-to-use-slaves cases. A textbook definition of fascism is a political system headed by a dictator in which the government controls business and labor and opposition is not permitted.

It's the same religion/business connection the GOP has had for decades.