it's not a phenethylamine, tryptamine or lysergamide, but it definitely has physchdelic effects, I guess it's a semantic issue over whether or not it is actually a 'psychedelic', I vote yes
you're probably a daily smoker like me so don't get much beyond a mood lift, but for first time and intolerant users they can absolute experience ' non-ordinary states of consciousness (known as psychedelic experiences or "trips").[2][3][4] This causes specific psychological, visual, and auditory changes, and often a substantially altered state of consciousness.' aka physchdelic effects
they can absolute experience ’ non-ordinary states of consciousness (known as psychedelic experiences or “trips”)
one could argue that the same goes for sober people who have a spontaneous mystical experience, or meditate, or practice lucid dreaming. i mean, sure, i've had highs that were fairly trippy, that happens, there's moments like that, but if i take 200 ug of LSD i can guarantee that i'll be tripping balls for hours and i can't guarantee that with any amount of weed, i can only guarantee that i'll fall asleep part certain dosages.
No, I mean these definitions are nebulous at best and that is the pretense on which it is classified as a schedule one substance. It's bullshit drug war propaganda to call weed psychedelic.
lame, China good. Psychedelics should be legal regardless of what their position is though.
and anecdotally, I do think weed can have psychedelic effects on people. It's not in the like technical category of psychedelic drugs with LSD and psilocybin, but if we used the term more broadly for the kind of effects you associate with them and consider, say, a dissociative like ketamine a psychedelic, enough weed can be like that. Personally I've had closed-eye visuals from smoking a lot on a low tolerance
I knew that it can, but I have trouble believing that anyone who trips on some gas is cause they're that sleep deprived. hallucinating from lack of sleep happens but most people aren't at that level? anyone who gets less than 7 or 8 hours or night is technically sleep deprived but that's a different degree from hallucinating
I have trouble believing that anyone who trips on some gas is cause they’re that sleep deprived.
The point is that all sorts of things can cause hallucinations, but cannabis is not a psychedelic by any definition. I also have to reiterate that this entire post was intended as struggle bait. OP either has an axe to grind with China and is too cowardly to come right out and say it or is deliberately posting wrecker shit.
Notice they have not responded to anyone in this thread or their other bait post that was more obvious.
the Schedule I-V classifications are ostensibly based their potential for abuse ("psychological or physical dependence"), not the subjective experience.
e: to be clear because this is the internet, the schedule classifications are obviously not evidence based
its silly to call it a psychedelic but i did trip off of strong brownies once.
With eyes open, I was seeing kaleidoscopic effects from patterns in tiles.
With eyes closed trying to fall asleep, I started hallucinating music with accompanying windows music visualizer-like hallucinations. I was frustrated because the loud music and bright visuals were keeping me awake.
(not my first time using cannabis, wasn't sleep deprived unless you all just spontaneously start hallucinating by staying up 2 hours past your bedtime)
Have you previously used psychedelics? I take shrooms regularly, and if I get even moderately high with cannabis I will have closed-eye hallucinations. Sometimes I'll even get auditory hallucinations if I get really high. It's a symptom of mild HPPD.
ib4 the reddit bro “well umm aktualy {refer madness technicalities}”
That talking point in the imperial core is literally based in American yankee racism and was used to justify the war on drugs and brutal devastation to millions of lives.
reefer madness isn't purely a myth weed does increase your chances of developing psychosis.
Also the negative effects of addiction (I'm not necessarily talking about physical addiction here although I have known people who struggle to sleep or eat when they don't smoke) can have negative effects on your life.
Obviously prison isn't helpful to any of this but just because punishing drug use isn't helpful doesn't mean drugs are good for people
weed does increase your chances of developing psychosis
No, it doesn't. It can exacerbate existing schizophrenic tendencies in people, but the link is clearly not causal given the lack of increase in rates of schizophrenia as cannabis use has increased dramatically.
the rate of that is marginal at best and I’m not going to rehash the drug debates I had with my one white alcoholic uncle at quinceañeras back in the 90’s lol
addiction bad, alcohol, caffeine, and tobaccy more addictive than weed
Well for one weed isn't a psychedelic.
it's not a phenethylamine, tryptamine or lysergamide, but it definitely has physchdelic effects, I guess it's a semantic issue over whether or not it is actually a 'psychedelic', I vote yes
no it doesn't lol
you're probably a daily smoker like me so don't get much beyond a mood lift, but for first time and intolerant users they can absolute experience ' non-ordinary states of consciousness (known as psychedelic experiences or "trips").[2][3][4] This causes specific psychological, visual, and auditory changes, and often a substantially altered state of consciousness.' aka physchdelic effects
one could argue that the same goes for sober people who have a spontaneous mystical experience, or meditate, or practice lucid dreaming. i mean, sure, i've had highs that were fairly trippy, that happens, there's moments like that, but if i take 200 ug of LSD i can guarantee that i'll be tripping balls for hours and i can't guarantee that with any amount of weed, i can only guarantee that i'll fall asleep part certain dosages.
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That's bullshit
so's whatever you've been smoking
No, I mean these definitions are nebulous at best and that is the pretense on which it is classified as a schedule one substance. It's bullshit drug war propaganda to call weed psychedelic.
psychedelics should be legal too though
Of course. Also the main reason I responded to this post was because this person is trying to do a China bad struggle session.
See here
lame, China good. Psychedelics should be legal regardless of what their position is though.
and anecdotally, I do think weed can have psychedelic effects on people. It's not in the like technical category of psychedelic drugs with LSD and psilocybin, but if we used the term more broadly for the kind of effects you associate with them and consider, say, a dissociative like ketamine a psychedelic, enough weed can be like that. Personally I've had closed-eye visuals from smoking a lot on a low tolerance
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sounds plausible but I'd want a source on this
Oh that's pretty well documented . You can see all sorts of weird shit while sleep deprived.
Do not recommend
I knew that it can, but I have trouble believing that anyone who trips on some gas is cause they're that sleep deprived. hallucinating from lack of sleep happens but most people aren't at that level? anyone who gets less than 7 or 8 hours or night is technically sleep deprived but that's a different degree from hallucinating
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Thank you for typing that out. Genuinely good read while I have my morning coffee and cigarette
:maduro-coffee:
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Only one I can afford right now, so yes.
:gigachad-hd:
true
the scheduling for school, work, etc. is so punishing on young people's sleep patterns.
we'd have to see if a middle-aged adult who regularly gets enough sleep would trip from smoking then :party-parrot-science:
The point is that all sorts of things can cause hallucinations, but cannabis is not a psychedelic by any definition. I also have to reiterate that this entire post was intended as struggle bait. OP either has an axe to grind with China and is too cowardly to come right out and say it or is deliberately posting wrecker shit.
Notice they have not responded to anyone in this thread or their other bait post that was more obvious.
ok
lol lmao “I have no idea what I’m talking about and am mad”
are you 12 or have you literally never heard of this before?
of course I heard that sleep deprivation can make you hallucinate. I've had it happen to me.
I meant I want a source that attributes effects people claim to be weed to sleep deprivation.
Fellas, the :reddit-logo: is thick on this one, it covers them like tar on a pelican after an oil rig disaster
it was just a question damn lol, one you misunderstood at that.
the Schedule I-V classifications are ostensibly based their potential for abuse ("psychological or physical dependence"), not the subjective experience.
e: to be clear because this is the internet, the schedule classifications are obviously not evidence based
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:strangelove: The reefer, it’s a deleriant, you see. I am very smart and understand the jazz cabbage
its silly to call it a psychedelic but i did trip off of strong brownies once. With eyes open, I was seeing kaleidoscopic effects from patterns in tiles. With eyes closed trying to fall asleep, I started hallucinating music with accompanying windows music visualizer-like hallucinations. I was frustrated because the loud music and bright visuals were keeping me awake.
(not my first time using cannabis, wasn't sleep deprived unless you all just spontaneously start hallucinating by staying up 2 hours past your bedtime)
Have you previously used psychedelics? I take shrooms regularly, and if I get even moderately high with cannabis I will have closed-eye hallucinations. Sometimes I'll even get auditory hallucinations if I get really high. It's a symptom of mild HPPD.
This lol
ib4 the reddit bro “well umm aktualy {refer madness technicalities}”
That talking point in the imperial core is literally based in American yankee racism and was used to justify the war on drugs and brutal devastation to millions of lives.
fucking ignorant crackers
:fidel-sarcastic:
reefer madness isn't purely a myth weed does increase your chances of developing psychosis.
Also the negative effects of addiction (I'm not necessarily talking about physical addiction here although I have known people who struggle to sleep or eat when they don't smoke) can have negative effects on your life.
Obviously prison isn't helpful to any of this but just because punishing drug use isn't helpful doesn't mean drugs are good for people
No, it doesn't. It can exacerbate existing schizophrenic tendencies in people, but the link is clearly not causal given the lack of increase in rates of schizophrenia as cannabis use has increased dramatically.
No no marijuana will make you do psychotic stuff like suck dick, eat hot chip, and gommunism
Once I did a weed and then thought about how capitalism bad.
omg so scared for you honey, hope you got better and didn’t drink out of the wrong fountain while you were sobering up
the rate of that is marginal at best and I’m not going to rehash the drug debates I had with my one white alcoholic uncle at quinceañeras back in the 90’s lol
addiction bad, alcohol, caffeine, and tobaccy more addictive than weed