Is there a timeline or something? And would it involve war?

  • emizeko [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    when the US declines to the point that Taiwan's bourgeoisie think they'll get a better deal from China

    • layla
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      So it'll be a process triggered by Taiwan, not China?

      • emizeko [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        yeah in my opinion China's in no real hurry, their economic integration strategy continues to gradually bring Taiwan closer to their influence

  • DefinitelyNotAPhone [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    The PRC seems content with the status quo because they're convinced that Taiwan will eventually come back into the fold of their own volition. What timeline that would happen on pretty much depends on the speed at which imperial decline makes the US incapable of meaningfully stepping in to prevent that and the Taiwanese either have mass uprisings demanding to rejoin the mainland or (far more likely) the Taiwanese bourgeoisie see the writing on the wall and start doing the math on how much money they get to enjoy before China clamps down on them at some point post-reunification, possibly being a nuisance to the larger state in the same way the Hong Kong ones are.

  • spring_rabbit [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    1C2S would be pretty dope, but America isn't going to allow any sort of peaceful reunification. We will provoke a big bloody war, even if the Taiwanese themselves decide they want reunification.

    Then once America starts that war, liberals will cry about the evil tankies invading the last Bastion of Democracy in Southeast Asia, and Western "leftists" will be incredibly divided over it and make up some bullshit about how both sides are wrong. ZPoster will return with a brand new mission. I will probably lose all my friends.

  • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I don't think China wants a war, for many reasons including that it would be hard to govern a population that hates them so much. However, the West (their primary support) is already declining and will continue to decline in the future, especially with climate change. Global capitalism is headed for collapse, but China will remain relatively stable. I think Taiwan will eventually come to see the PRC as a life raft that can rescue them from the global economic and ecological breakdown, and throw in the towel out of desperation. Decades from now, of course.

  • Diogenes_Barrel [love/loves]
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    2 years ago

    Really Big Hong Kong--i.e. major concessions & autonomy for a period of time after the unification

    who can say on the timeline, it depends a lot on the US. the PRC has said for a long time they're for peaceful unification, and are patient enough to wait for Taiwan to jump ship of their own accord.

    of course, if the US left Taiwan and they didn't go for unification the PRC might try militarily but :yikes-1::yikes-3: that'd be a horrific campaign unless Taiwan's military capacity drastically reduces

  • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I think war is unlikely but could happen if either Taiwan declares de jure independence or if the US starts stationing certain weapon systems in Taiwan. In those cases, violent reunification will occur and it will be incredibly tragic.

    I think otherwise, reunification is likely to occur, as others have said, due to Taiwan leadership seeing the writing on the wall if the US continues to decline and China continues to rise. Especially if we reach a point where the mainland is widely perceived as having higher technology, culture and standard of living than Taiwan.

    Right now, peaceful unification is a very long way off given the attitudes of young Taiwan people.

    • layla
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      I worry that the US will provoke China as it continues its decline. It has already done that in a round about way with Ukraine and Russia, it makes a lot of sense they'll do the same with Taiwan eventually

      • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        They're definitely doing that along with the rest of NATO. Britain has frequently sent officials over and Japan has recently been courting Taiwan. They really want an Ukraine or Korean war situation to happen for Taiwan.

  • Shoegazer [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    If the US collapses I doubt war will happen unless Taiwan is militarized enough to pose a challenge

    • layla
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      The US will collapse, but that's still a while away. Will China wait for that?

        • layla
          hexagon
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          2 years ago

          But Taiwan are so far ahead of anywhere else in the world on chip making. That surely won't be anytime soon?

            • layla
              hexagon
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              2 years ago

              How will China get better at chip making than Taiwan in the next two years?

              • EmmaGoldman [she/her, comrade/them]M
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                2 years ago

                They're not that far ahead anymore, and China is catching up at an extremely rapid pace. They will likely overtake Taiwan in this decade.

                • layla
                  hexagon
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                  2 years ago

                  Oh, that's cool :)

              • sooper_dooper_roofer [none/use name]
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                2 years ago

                well they went from nothing to a continents' worth of high speed rail in a decade's time, and became leaders in the field to boot

                I think they can figure out the chips too. Maybe 5 years instead of 2, give or take

  • Beaver [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    At some point, if they become economically and culturally integrated enough, will it cease to be particularly relevant whether they unite under one government? For example of how that could look, see Canada and the USA as an example of neighbors who were rent apart by war, then grew together after a century or two, to the point that they act almost like a unified economic and political bloc on the world stage. Sure, Canada might occasionally defy the US on the world stage, but what real upside would there be to an invasion and annexation?

    • BerserkPoster [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      I'm not sure if the status quo is continuable forever as far as Taiwan goes. Thatbbeint said, I think China will be patient, unless the west pushes for independence which will force china's hand

  • blurssr [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I don't really see how peaceful reunification is supposed to happen when Taiwanese have been pushed to hate mainland China for like over a century now. Military takeover is most likely probably because of US doing some shenanigans.

  • boog [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    I'm sure China is desperate to get Taiwan under its control, but I don't think they will declare war over it. At least, not until the US is deeply, severely weakened. Which, given the state the US is in now compared to a decade ago, might not be too far from now.

  • KiaKaha [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    No timeline.

    Honestly it depends a lot on the USA and its role in the region.

    In terms of war in the short to medium term, if the USA wants to push for war, it can by explicitly supporting independence and forcing the mainland’s hand.

    In the long term, we could see a US retreat from East Asia, in which case we’d see more inter-strait institutional relations, a rolling back of US influence, and a steady de facto reunification, with greater economic, political and military integration, with a nominal one coming later down the line, again potentially piecemeal. Steps towards integration would be rewarded, whereas steps against would be punished. That’s the ‘best case’ scenario.

    Alternatively, again in the long term, if Taiwanese society remains hardened against reconciliation, we could see a military build up, such that the balance of power clearly falls to China. This would likely mean securing overland oil supplies from Russia and Iran (via Pakistan) to prevent a blockade at sea of crucial energy supplies. At that point, a military capitulation could be forced via a blockade on Taiwan, and demilitarisation of the island via air strikes.

    In any case, based on China’s approach to its former colonies, it prefers working with existing groups and structures, so I’d expect it to remain an autonomous region for the foreseeable future.

  • little_red [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    China won't make a move for Taiwan because if they do, US will force S Korea into reunification with the North on US terms, meaning China loses a buffer state and US gets to build military bases right up in China's asshole.

    • KiaKaha [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Wat.

      DPRK policy has been laser focused on hardening against the US. It has its own nuclear umbrella.