DeSantis will wipe the floor with Brandon
Pretty sure that was Bush v. Gore though I'm sure there are earlier examples.
I thought Bush was the plant to keep the incorporeal alien inhabiting the back of Gore's skull from taking over the planet.
It's an SCP, Bush is also basically an animated flesh suit after getting Dick Cheney'd and experiencing brain death.
https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-4444
I still think Trump wins the nomination if only because nominating someone else would be like admitting Trump was a bad president
He could call him out on being a grifter, point out how Trump was a dem his entire life, supported both Clintons, play the "Republicans have the dumbest voters" sound byte. A competent fascist could turn the hogs on Trump at any time.
That quote was made up. I don't think the former dem angle is inherently effective. If anything,I think it actually helps him because they can point to that whenever someone argues that he's too extreme or associate him with white nationalism.
People have been calling out Trump for being a grifter his entire career. The base is still rabidly pro-Trump, the republican establishment will let him run if he wants to. There is nothing from the past that hasn’t been covered that will turn them against Trump, they’ve heard it all and don’t care.
I don't think it matters what DeSantis does as much as what capital wants. The Republicans could absolutely rig their primary if they please. What are the maga folk gonna do? January 6 part 2? Strike? They currently believe Biden is an illegitimate president and there have been exactly zero assassination attempts.
Trump eats career politicians for breakfast in primaries, if he wants it it’s his.
Anybody can be ratfucked in a primary if the party establishment decides so, it should be clear by now that these are only democratic processes as long as it doesn't upset the ghouls. The question isn't if Trump can still count on his mass appeal (he ofc absolutely can), the question is if the donor class wants to let him near power again in spite of having proven how erratic he is. This isn't 2016 anymore, the world has gone through so much shit in the last 6 years, his instability definitely makes him a lot less palatable to capital than back during his first run.
Is it really any secret the bourgeoisie were unhappy with Trump? He was erratic and unpredictable, plus he riled up the population far more than the ruling class is comfortable with. The summer of 2020 had nationwide riots. The January 6 thing seems silly to us, but it genuinely freaked out establishment politicians and their donation networks. I think what freaked them out the most though were waves of unionization efforts, like that time TSA employees threatened to strike during the government shutdowns.
The parties are ultimately servants of capital and part of that involves maintaining a blanket of illusions and docility on the population. Trump ultimately failed to do that, so they'd rather have someone more competent.
It's a possibility and I'm sure the rich would prefer DeSantis over Trump, but they also would've preferred Kasich or Jeb Bush in 2016
It would be tough to convince the nation's uncles to vote for someone who doesn't make the libs as mad as Trump does, even though Trump fucked up things (covid was an unprecedented failure until Biden came in and did the exact same thing), the job is 80% culture war bullshit, the white house is a daycare center nowadays
The capital establishment didn’t want him to begin with for basically all the same reasons. DeSantis will only succeed with Trump’s cooperation, the only thing he’s truly good at is humiliating his opponents in the media because he is unfettered by the decorum of a professional politician. As living conditions continue to Brandonize, a lot of those suburban swing voters are going to soften on their distaste for Trump as they remember actually being better off during his presidency.
Fundraising is not going to give DeSantis an edge over Trump, Trump’s 2016 campaign had half the funds of Clinton. Bloomberg spent half a billion dollars on his own campaign and all it got him was American Samoa. If Trump wants it and DeSantis tries to primary him, Trump will destroy him like he did all of his previous Republican opponents.
Of course, Jeb! was coronated by the establishment and Trump destroyed him with one debate.
What do you mean? Everyone knows Jeb won the 2016 race and instituted anarcho-jebism
I think a lot of people in this thread are underestimating how much the suburban chuds fucking LOVE DeSantis.
The 4chan/QAnon chuds who brought Trump to the top love him because he owns the libs, same as Trump.
The white-flight suburb chuds love him because he’s a bit more mask on than Trump. He’s not as crass, but he still “calls it like it is”
And the dedicated christo-fascists/evangelicals love him because unlike Trump, he’s dedicated to the cause and gets stuff done. DeSantis has moved their agenda forward in Florida way more than Trump did as president, with the exception of his court appointments but that would’ve happened with any Republican. His anti-LGBT policies and rhetoric are the ultimate dream to these people.
Finally, Capital probably prefers him to Trump, because he’s quieter and more stable. All you have to do is go along with his anti-gay genocide and he’ll make sure the money keeps flowing. Trump provokes too much outrage.
DeSantis is the competent fascist we feared would come after Trump, and I don’t think you should underestimate his chances of winning.
Capital definitely prefers DeSantis to Trump. Trump was a foreign policy disaster for the neoliberal agenda. Latam has made a huge left swing, Europe is a mess. China, Russia and Iran are ascendant. They won't let Trump get anywhere near power again.
The way desantis just started acting like trump to win over the MAGA crowd makes me think he is more of an amoral climber who just wants to ascend in power however he can, not an ideologue. But maybe not. And he just hands out money like candy to supportive constituencies to gain loyalty from them even though most republicans hate giving handouts to the peasants. So it makes me think he’s not an ideologue but an amoral sociopath who just wants to achieve his dream of getting as high up in power as possible.
But maybe those people make the best fascists anyway….
:cia: going to be running Gay Obama against Southern Obama, either way CIA wins
Thinking that Trump won't be replaced by a competent fascist is exactly the same level of naivety as libs who think he's going to jail.
Thinking that that means he will necessarily lose to the first challenger who we've arbitrarily picked out as "the competent fascist" when he has beaten other competent reactionaries like Ted Cruz is, uh, not a reasonable perspective. Who's to say that it won't be 2028 or later where the genuine fascists start to take over?
The guy who likes incest porn on main and escapes his state whenever something bad happens is competetnt? Not saying Trump can't win but his 2016 opponents weren't the cream of the crop.
It's important to remember how much help Trump got in 2016. He got a ridiculous amount of free press on both Fox and CNN -- they'd both just run his stump speeches live. They also never focused on any of his scandals for more than a week. Plus, the GOP establishment never circled the wagons against him the way Obama called in the fix on Sanders in 2020.
Say DeSantis declares first and gets a lot of support out of the gate. The establishment decides he'd basically be Trump with less baggage. Trump eventually decides to run, but the free press spigot is shut off and his social media reach is limited to diehards who are tech-savvy enough to dig up whatever Twitter clone his now on. The mainstream press he does get soon focuses on his latest scandal and dogs him with that for months, turning a bunch of negative background noise into a unified "this is disqualifying." As the primaries get closer a bunch of party elders play the role of Obama in 2020 and privately twist arms. Televised debates would be the only way for Trump to really gain ground, but maybe those don't happen, and a one-on-one format isn't his strong suit (he dropped a bunch after most or all of his one-on-one debates).
He has some valuable retail politics skills, but that's only valuable if it's given an audience.
Yeah I remember MSNBC not only running his speech live, he showed up late so they broadcast an empty podium for an hour in anticipation of :trump-anguish:
I just hope that the new left wing governments down south are ready for the onslaught of attacks that DeSantis will do to end them. He flipped when Colombia went left wing.
We might get DeSantis vs Newsom (bourgeois as a whole love picking the bad timelines for real). Still think Trump will be a factor no matter what, he won't just fade into the background unless his unhealthy habits come for him or someshit.
I feel like the only way Trump is a factor is if he threatens to run 3rd party if he doesn't get the nomination. That threat kept the levers of power at bay in 2016.
If DeSantis kisses the ring I can see Trump not running again. He didn't want the job in the first place. Maybe have Trump as the VP so he still gets to have his time in the spotlight but doesn't have to do anything
DeSantis is legitimately terrifying and is exactly the type of figure so many leftists warned about showing up when Biden won in 2020.
Trump winning in 2020 would have been the better timeline. He was incompetent and uncaring enough that he pissed off libs and drove a lot of people further left.
Biden winning was still better, because (a) otherwise the loss would have been blamed on the left, and (b) now libs get a four-year course in how shit most Democrats are. It's also better to take the long road deeper into fascism because at least that gives the left more time to organize, and it'll help get some of the most obstructionist libs out of power simply by virtue of them dying off.
Libs will still be decently outraged at DeSantis if he's elected -- look at how they were under Bush II.
libs get a four-year course in how shit most Democrats are.
If they didn't learn from Carter, Clinton, or Obama, why would they learn from Biden?
The alternative to trying to get them to learn is essentially giving up, at least for the foreseeable future, so we have to try something.
There are tons of reasons why someone might figure it out now, too:
- They're personally doing worse now than they were before.
- They weren't alive/politically active before.
- They reach their limit on trying the same thing and getting the same results.
- They see a growing left wing of the Democratic Party that hasn't really been there since the 70s.
- They see a few good things happening (improved rights/representation for the LGBT community, serious steps to winding down the war on drugs, the spike in union activity) and figure out that the libs saying those were politically infeasible are full of shit.
- Someone close to them figures it out and slowly brings them along.
Also, Biden is markedly less popular than Clinton or Obama with the libs
Libs still insist the left didn’t :vote: hard enough for their liking, nothing would change that
Sure, but Biden won. Persuadable aren't going to buy that the left was the problem with Biden when he's actually in office -- they didn't even buy that Sanders was the problem in 2016 because he went out and campaigned for Hillary.
DeSantis has none of the personal qualities that chuds like about Trump, though. Have you all seen him speak publicly before? He doesn't strike me as someone chuds would enthusiastically rally around.
LOW ENERGY! :trump-anguish:
