ive been told every time that i even offer light pushback on criticsm against socialist countries in the global south that these are imperialist countries that commit atrocities and im being a total hypocrite by 'supporting' them and that most socialists in global south actually oppose and hate these countries.
is this just bad-faith liberal bullshit? how would one even respond to that?
At this point there isn't a single leftist viewpoint that you won't get called a tankie for. It's also a long-standing online leftist tradition to call all other leftist tendencies white.
well i am from brazil and i will defend venezuela all the time as they are my latin american fellows and no one has tried to call me a white tankie yet which is probably because i am not american
what is the general feeling of the Latin American left on the situation
even our left-leaning liberals support them (openly or behind the scenes), that guy you talked to was full of shit
edit: not redthebaron, i meant the guy OP talked to before making the thread lmao
i'm brazilian
and our mainstream left might actually be the mildest in all of south america, so i'm assuming the others don't "hate" venezuela/china/dprk either (though we're not immune to propaganda and some myths are there, but i've never met a leftist who "hated" any of those countries)
I’ve talked to twice as many Brazilians than any other country
actually makes sense, we're the 5th largest pop in the world and about half of all of south america (and a third of latam)
I just wasn’t sure how many actively “supported” Maduro
that one is a bit more complicated yea, it's critical support (to me, because they didn't go far enough, and because maduro has some right-wing deviations that suck - like, the FAES is trash)
sorry, 5th largest by territory and 6th largest by pop because apparently pakistan has surpassed us (it kinda got stuck with me that we were 5th/5th, but populations change lmao)
Idk what that is.
it's like our BOPE, a heavily militarized police that does a lot of bad shit in poor neighborhoods hunting "criminals"
Brazil is also, if I'm not mistake, the largest country in latin America.
it really depends on which person you are talking to like the latin american left is a bit more of not complaining about latin american government as we know what happens if the americans get an excuse to do their dirty deeds, but venezuela has had a space on the brazilian cultural mind for a long time like before i heard any american claim "THE US WILL BECOME VENEZUELA" this has always been a thing the right says here it is one of their favorite, so like it is complicated but people are not on the mood of going after venezuela since the whole morales coup thing happened as it was SO OBVIOUS THEY WERE FULL OF SHIT and also we have to deal with our president going into our cities without a mask and telling kids they don't need to use it anymore which has really just occupied our minds too much for foreign affairs
like to be fair, i am aware that brazil has a weird relationship with the rest of the south america both because we are kinda the us of south american like just a huge economy that breaks all the neighbours around and a lot of weird christian stuff and cultural stuff like the not speaking the same language makes us a bit distant from the rest of latin america and really reliant on media for foreign news. My friend once argued "it is a bit dumb to care about foreign affairs in the global south, they will either kill you or not" and like he is not wrong, but on your point yeah our takes generally are just basic normal stuff like "why are you guys still talking about venezuela isn't your whole society colapsing" and "hey stay on your fucking hemisphere anglo", also any latin american who gets into foreign affairs ends up being forced to look at the us as they are the main player and feel absolute dread after staring at the abyss
no you are correct they are really similar, like they are the most alike in any of the latin languages, it is just brazillians will not read in spanish because we are luso boys like we get to understand each other fine enough there is just this weird divide due to weird cultural stuff like as if we were paying homage to the portuguese spanish rivalry
I studied Spanish and Latin in high school and for a long time I was able to understand every written Latin-derived language except Portuguese.
That could just be my experience though.
that is a bit weird because i think that italian is one i find the furtherst one from spanish and portuguese but i imagine it is probably the one most rooted on latin so that makes sense, like portuguese seems to be just the wildest of the latin languages, because if you want to you can do whatever like the grammar is so big that you can just make wild shit like you can reduce the sentence "eu fiz isso porque eu queria" (i did this because i wanted it) to "Fi-lo porque qui-lo" but like brazilllian portuguese tends to be really simple like most people will not talk like a crazy person
In retrospect, I think most of the Portuguese I was exposed to at the time was Brazilian teenagers with very casual relationships to spelling and grammar. Proooobably didn't help.
And as you guessed, yeah, I found Italian pretty easy to understand.
like portuguese speakers have a complicated relantionship with the grammar stuff because it kinda is an actual class struggle on this language, like poor people receive worse educations and portuguese is a hard language to speak correctly like i still don't understand accentuation at all and i had a pretty good education, so poor people on brazil tend to be the people who speak in the non formal way with simpler grammar and this has been a thing for so long that in the 20s there is actual poetry from people discussing whether the true language is the one on the books or the one spoken by most people
I'll happily give that one to the language spoken by most people.
But yeah, the stuff I learned in a dead language that's kept around for its prestige did not help with it lol.
oh ya, im aware of that, ive just seen the "actually socialists for the global south HATE china, dprk and venezuela" a few times in the last few days and was..... stumped. i dont believe it tbh.
They like to point at the few groups that do but the overwhelming majority support them. Maoists are typically the biggest sect in the GS that hate China and other states
Yeah I know the Maoist’s in the Philippines do not like China I suppose for legitimate reasons. But I do feel like libs are only using them to feel justified in “China bad” discourse. I guess I wanted to come here for a more nuanced and honest answer. Thanks.
for legitimate reasons
I would call getting shot with their bullets a legitimate reason lol.
It's a good reminder that states are a double edged sword. They can help protect you, but they work on their own logic independent from "what does the movement need right now?"
Here's the view of one of our comrades in Iraq: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEC2ajsvr0I
The reality of the situation is that it's pretty much just the white western "left" that says this shit. And then within the white radlibs you have people making the claim that the global south are all against these AES Actually Existing Socialist countries.
This left are against everything that actually exists and only seem to support anything that failed. My opinion is that they're liberal virture-signalling culture translated leftwards. They are only interested in signalling their purity and goodness rather than actually supporting anything or achieving anything. They wear the left for aesthetics but not anything that might possibly even remotely result in dirtying themselves.
Hakim is a boss and the fight they're engaged in over there is a real one. Strongly recommend keeping up with him, his content is great.
A puerto rican radlib didn't like me defending Venezuela by bringing up all the ways the US tries to subvert their autonomy. Considered Maduro a dictator cuz he does a weekly national address that is broadcast on all channels
No that's a fucking lie usually spouted by white, western, privileged, ignorant, anti-communist tools of the CIA. Tell them to fuck off and watch more "CIA Lies Tonight with John Oliver". Global south/non-western left is overwhelmingly Marxist and overwhelmingly supports China. I would say none of them share the anti-communist line towards the DPRK/Venezuela although they may have criticisms, they are not the same ones your ignorant friends are choosing to parrot directly from the CIA and its many tentacles.
Is it bad-faith liberal bullshit? It often is. Sometimes it's ultras who think being a good communist means agitating for the collapse and balkanization of China and then waiting until doomsday until their pure and perfect form of communist thought magically takes and retains power and wins. Point out the material improvements in people's lives, point out the resistance to American imperialism. Honestly if they're mentioning Venezuela as imperialist they're a fucking liberal not an ultra though IMO and they're just a clueless stooge.
Southern Europeans are mostly Middle Eastern by ancestry, DNA companies censor this because it sells badly to anglogermanic amerisharts.
Greeks are non-white if they identify as such. H O N O R A R Y
I get called american all the time for attacking China despite living in the ex-Eastern Bloc
I got called a white tankie once for offering critical support of China but also it's the same position my grandparents had on modern China and one of them literally participated in the Long March.
I'm also 100% Chinese.
in mexico most people think the us is imperialist
but also think north korea and venezuela are starving and corrupt
people think china are like the "smart asians" who are gonna run the world , love to listen to 70 year old man recite a meme about putin they read
No, China-hating is a white 'person in general' thing.
being told that global south socialists acktchyually hate these countries
ahh yes, let's hear the infinite knowledge of Cletus Smith, 19 year old from Paris, Ohio, and his expertise on socialists in Guayaquil
I'm non-white, non-Chinese, and non-Asian\
99.5% of everything said by westerners about China is verbal diarrhea. Nathan Rich is a based white man
