Link - https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/way9nt/gravel_institute_barely_focuses_on_national_issues/
Some cool comments.
Because they are fucking Tankies funded by Russian interest groups. Their agenda is to sow discontent and distrust in America. Divide and conquer.. They should be removed from YouTube for their Ukraine coverage. We need a purge.
Dirt? No? But it’s plain to see. They produced a video justifying Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. They also only really focus on how America was terrible in the past, and all the crimes they’ve done and other bad shit. Yet refuse to focus on the modern problems that we face.
I miss the 2020 primaries when leftist conversations were dominated by domestic policy. I hate foreign policy with a burning passion
Their agenda is to sow discontent and distrust in America
If you're content or trusting in america then you're not a leftist
I miss the 2020 primaries when leftist conversations were dominated by domestic policy. I hate foreign policy with a burning passion
Social Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of Fascism.
We've got hundreds of military bases strewn all over the world doing godawful evil shit, but god forbid you try to bring that into a discussion about democracy, what our state is doing, and what it ought to be doing.
was about to post that quote., gawd this is why I hate Murican succdems, the third world can bleed as long as we get some succdem policies at home. No different than any right wing ghoul's view of the world. Sanders and the squad are garbage, the only decent Succdem is Corbyn.
the third world can bleed as long as we get some succdem policies at home
And the thing is, it isn't even realistic. Domestic and foreign policy are inextricably linked. The enclosure of the global south is a very fundamental part of the immiseration of the imperial proletariat. Every time we topple a people's republic and replace it with a band of gangsters. Every time we knock off some once in a generation labor leader so the extractive industries can be marketized and bought out by finance imperialists, we create the conditions which drive deindustrialization and put the imperial proletariat at a disadvantage.
How is some handlebar mustached auto plant worker from Detroit supposed to compete with sweatshop laborers literally living under the boot of a collaborationist military dictatorship. How is a small family farm in Pennsylvania supposed to compete with some big agra factory farm in New Mexico running entirely on exploited migrant labor? Our foreign policy, along with immigration policy and trade agreements are absolutely fundamental to producing the status quo we live in. If we want to have programs like the Green New Deal or Medicare for All, first we need to have leverage. We have none as long as the one trillion dollar a year war machine is able to crush any progress made towards this in the global south.
The entire point of US foreign policy is to ensure any superior alternative to our way of life is strangled in the crib. If we ignore that simple fact, they will strangle us just as easily.
the only decent Succdem is Corbyn.
Not true. There are decent south Americans ones. They’re usually anti imperialist
The sun never sets on the American Military
You know, I used to think
The sun never sets on the British Empirewas just a weird sort of hubris the Brits had -- like they went around saying "Wh-ell, our empire shall neveh fall! Afterall, wh-e're the best of the best, by Jingo!" It was only very recently that I realized it was much more literal than that. The Empire covered so much of the planet that it was always daylight somewhere in Britain's territory.also all Americas money goes to dumbass wars if you want free healthcare that money has to come from somewhere and the obvious expense to cut is all the murder
When asked why they don't like discussing foreign policy:
Because discussing any kind of foreign policy with leftists and liberals is infuriating and I’d like to get some healthcare or stop cops from beating the shit out of the people in my community before I worry about smashing imperialism. It sounds like “America first” bs but I just think it’s much more realistic to get leftist domestic changes before we get major changes to foreign policy
Oh no, you did a US chauvinism
Damn, maybe domestic issues are inherently tied with imperialism? Maybe this fact is something Leftist theorists have established since the 19th century?
Nah, reading is for nerds lol what’s a materialism? (Jk I know they don’t care)
I swear, Vaushites are worse than “regular” shitlibs. At least the Latter group can propel people towards the Left with how out-of-touch they are. The former knows things suck and pulls disillusioned liberals into their sphere but their only problem with American imperialism is that it isn’t Social Imperialism. They’re the Eberts and Bernsteins today but even more right wing.
Worse. They failed to see how "cops beating the shit out of people in my community" is profoundly connected to imperialism.
We need a purge.
Lmao openly calling for red scare and mccarthyism now I guess. The "tankie" online attack failed to produce the results they wanted.
Isn’t a purge something tankies would do? Isn’t that something Stalin is kinda famous for?
It's something everyone does if they are competent (and frequently even when they are not). The interesting part is how it demonstrates they aren't discussing social squabbling but an irreconcilable ideological difference with the anti-imperialist "tankies".
History has had a million red scares, why can't we have just ONE brown scare?
I would argue that Xi's anti-corruption campaign was at least partially a brown scare to put the party on stricter ideological lines.
alright but it has to be a conspiracy theory about which politician shit themselves. Before you say Biden bear in mind that Kamala Harris might just be dumb enough to not know that isn't ok
I find it funny since other types of reactionaries also say "why can't they talk about issues that average Americans care about?" and then explicitly exclude things like trans issues from the list. "Average American" is just code for "people like me". It's also fucking hilarious to be concern trolling about not paying enough attention to trans rights on the sub for a transphobic chaser.
Incidentally, of the last five videos, three are contemporary domestic/semi-domestic American issues:
The bombing of Laos (old, foreign policy)
Oil companies scamming Americans (current, semi-domestic)
Minimum wage myths (current, domestic)
CPC history (old, foreign)
The environment and EVs (current, domestic)
Also, Gravel's whole fucking platform was anti-imperialism. He was like the inverse of Bernie. What do these assholes expect?
I hate foreign policy with a burning passion
You're American, shut the fuck up. Your country has always founded its existence on robbing other countries, you have no right to just plug your ears to the subject.
You’re American, shut the fuck up. Your country has always founded its existence on robbing other countries, you have no right to just plug your ears to the subject.
I’m finding it more and more that certain americans (maybe most ii dunno) are just unable to comprehend that other countries suffer because of amerika. Especially the older folk.
Absolutely, though I would mostly frame it as refusing to comprehend. The basic ideas are mostly pretty simple, but they can be uncomfortable for some people, the quoted fellow probably included.
For some others though, it's more of a psychopathic lack of caring about who gets victimized, only being interested in how it effects your treat budget. This is, as the other commenter observed, social democracy being objectively the moderate wing of fascism.
You’re American, shut the fuck up
someone post the "shut the fuck up american" poster
I fully endorse Vaush and Gravel Institute having a massive online beef, because this will only make the Gravel Grandkids stronger.
I do not endorse Gravel getting any kind of income from YouTube, because they'll just develop the same brainworms that infests every terminally online-for-money guy and end up endorsing Pete Buttigieg by 2024.
I hate foreign policy with a burning passion
:fidel-wut: Why did you elect a President who is obsessed with it, then?
"We should stop giving billions of dollars to Ukraine and try to resolve the issue diplomatically and spend the money on social welfare at home"
"Uhh that kiiinda sounds like America first? Fucking sadaamist redfash viet cong sympathizing tankie!!" :maybe-later-kiddo:
"Here are some foreign policy positions we could take to acknowledge our bloody history of interventionism"
"What? Are you kidding? What about domestic issues? Why can't you focus on that? Don't you realize those striking banana plantation workers were authoritarians?"
:maybe-later-kiddo:
:maybe-later-kiddo: I know you want to stop American imperialism, but have you considered that I don't care.
Politics is really just entertainment to these people. Debate lords have made us all dumber
I miss the 2020 primaries when leftist conversations were dominated by domestic policy. I hate foreign policy with a burning passion
When you're definitely left wing.
“I just want healthcare” types like this are such a massive red flag
Not the uh.. good kind obviously lol
any videos about trans rights, abortion or LGBT rights in America in the year of our lord 2022 would also just be "America bad", half of the USA has officially decided to actively become worse on this than about any other nation on earth and the other half is "sorry, joe manchin told us we can't stop the nazis, bub".
I feel like it’s pretty fucking obvious that we can’t even begin the discussion of domestic improvement to this country until we stem the bleeding of wealth from working people into the nightmare neo colonial war machine that is the U.S. Military. These fucking dweebs
I've been saying this since at least 2006. The amount of money we fling out the window has only increased.
Most American 'leftists' would be republican war mongers if they had free healthcare and legal weed
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All children should stick to playing minecraft w their friends instead of handling out these steaming hot takes
