• Mardoniush [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    Meme is good, though to nerd out, if the workplace and apartment are democratic co ops, 9 to 5 and getting kicked out aren't super-likely to happen.

    • space_comrade [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      It's a coop with weighed voting, our entrepreneur comrades clearly know more about running a business so their vote counts more than the average worker.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The democracy of the democratic workplaces and apartments is succdem democracy. So yes, these things are very likely to happen.

      Don't like it? :vote: for a different elected representative in four years time and hope he'll be different despite coming from the same pool of sociopathic nerds as your current one.

      • Mardoniush [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        It's absolutely milquetoast Succdem (or, really, DemSoc by modern standards) but it's not nothing, look at Red Vienna for an example of this type of reformism that was actually taken seriously and was a roaring success (until reaction murdered them all in the 30s).

        Of course if the Vaushites run it it'll be a hellhole of the Sociopathic nerds. But they couldn't run a charity BBQ let alone a workers state.

        • SoyViking [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          I'm all for doing all the reforms you can but a thing like Red Vienna was only possible because a socialist revolution was a likely alternative. Today we have nothing to scare the bourgeoisie into accepting reforms.

        • invalidusernamelol [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          The best possible outcome of a bourgeois democracy is that it fails so spectacularly at organising itself that workers are forced to organize as a result.

          But that never happens because industrial capitalists are actually really good at organizing labor through exploitation that if they're allowed to continue to exist they'll subsume the failed state and institute feudalistic or fascist ideologies.

          So yeah, we gotta liquidate the bourgeoisie either through proletarianization or other means if we ever want a spontaneously organized worker's democracy to form.

    • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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      2 years ago

      I mean, 9-5 isn't even the worst of it. Plenty of people are stuck with Just-In-Time schedules and Zero Hour Contracts where they don't know when or how long they'll be working until the week - or even day - they get the call to come in.

      The meme is very Urban Professional in its outlook. Oh no! I'll still have menial bullshit work in a menial bullshit job! This isn't the Utopia I was promised!

      My brother, there are worse things than a 9-5 office job.

      • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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        2 years ago

        I mean, a 9-5 office job is just a 7 hour workday plus lunch lmao. Slicing off 5 hours in a workweek is not too bad.

        • Norm_Chumpsky [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Not to split hairs, but it depends. A lot of companies don't have paid lunch, so it's 9-5 @ 35 hrs/week or 9-6/8-5. But yeah, still not nearly as bad as tons of much harder jobs with longer hours and less personal autonomy.