• LiberalSocialist [any,they/them]
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    2 years ago

    even as she doubles down on her antisemitism by slandering Israel as an apartheid state

    Wow. That… I have no fucking words.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      South African apartheid regime's big mistake in retrospect seems to have been not enough gaslighting

      • ides_of_Merch [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        In 2010, The Guardian released South African government documents that revealed an Israeli offer to sell the apartheid regime nuclear weapons. Israel denied these allegations and claimed that the documents were minutes from a meeting which did not indicate any concrete offer for a sale of nuclear weapons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apartheid#Israeli_arms_sales

    • InvaderZinn [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      doubles down on her antisemitism by slandering Israel as an apartheid state

      :what-the-hell:

      That reads like a chanbrain claiming that it's reverse-racist that schools are teaching that slavery was bad and not some sacred western institution.

  • Sphere [he/him, they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Means Morning News did a great job on this story today, here's a quote from the conclusion of the story:

    "Tlaib never said anything about Israel's right to exist; she was talking specifically about the policies of the current Israeli government and how they amount to apartheid and should be opposed. And none of the criticisms against her actually address that point. They all just pretended like Israel isn't practicing apartheid. I will go a step further than Tlaib, though, and say that, actually, nations don't have a fundamental right to exist if they don't have the consent of those who live within their borders to exist."

    • Fdos [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      2 years ago

      Yeah, they deliberately misinterpreted it and turned it into an argument they could win.

      It's actually encouraging to know that they don't actually have any points to refute apartheid. They have to do this, because they have no other choice.

      • nine_leven [none/use name]
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        2 years ago

        I've heard some, they're even weaker than the deflections though... Palestinians can gain Israeli citizenship or something...

    • jkfjfhkdfgdfb [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      nations don’t have a fundamental right to exist if they don’t have the consent of those who live within their borders to exist.”

  • grey_wolf_whenever [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    insane what a strangehold this issue has, particularly on the democrats. That they jump over themselves to censure POC slightly to the left of them is especially grim.

  • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    If you ever doubt Israel is a settler-colonial apartheid state, simply look at the UN vote on recognizing Palestinian statehood

    The United Nations general assembly voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to recognise Palestine as a state, in the face of opposition from Israel and the US.

    The 193-member assembly voted 138 in favour of the plan, with only nine against and 41 abstentions. The scale of the defeat represented a strong and public repudiation for Israel and the US, who find themselves out of step with the rest of the world.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_resolution_67/19

    • nine_leven [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      If you ever doubt Israel is a settler-colonial apartheid state, simply look at the UN vote on recognizing Palestinian statehood US "non-profits" that get money to recruit every guy in Brooklyn named Ephraim to move to the Golan Heights and evict a Palestinian family through an internationally condemned process (even by the US in meaningless words alone).

      https://www.haaretz.com/2015-12-07/ty-article/.premium/following-the-money-that-supports-israeli-settlements/0000017f-f988-dcea-a7ff-fdba579e0000

  • Fdos [none/use name]
    hexagon
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    2 years ago

    Where is the evidence that Israel practices apartheid? I don't mean HRW reports or that nonsense. I mean, the actual laws of Israel. I keep pointing out the apartheid and I keep getting denied by people who call me an anti-Semite. Amnesty International and the usual suspects won't be accepted by them as a source as they'll just call them anti-Semites too.

    • Thomas_Dankara [any,comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      Read "The Biggest Prison on Earth: A History of the Occupied Territories " by Ilan Pappe. He's Israeli. He's Jewish. He's willing to condemn Israel's apartheid. TL;DR Israel has segregation down to the highway system. Raw sewage gets pumped into the swimming waters of the gaza strip. Palestinians in the gaza strip are constantly being rationed electricity to only a few hours a day. Their apartments are bombed with impunity. Lynch mobs go door to door hurting palestinians sometimes. There is nonstop annexation of Palestinian territory with new settlements. "Apartheid" is frankly generous. It's been a slow motion genocide since 1948. Zionism started in the 1800s as a desire for European Jews to escape European antisemitism but they decided on annexing lands people already lived in so it became a genocidal settler-colonial project with Western backing.

    • star_wraith [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Well, one aspect is that, as the article mentions is that Israel has declared itself a "Jewish State". That's a problem when a majority of your population (when you include the West Bank and Gaza) or a sizeable minority (excluding those two regions) are explicitly not Jewish / Palestinian. Just imagine if apartheid South Africa claimed they were a "white ethnostate"?

      Also, maybe more to your point, Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not allowed to vote in Israeli elections despite not having meaningful autonomy (ostensibly the reason Israel disenfranchises them). This conveniently makes Palestinians the voting minority in Israel where otherwise they would be the majority without this one weird trick. If that's not apartheid I don't know what is.

      • Ligma_Male [comrade/them]
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        2 years ago

        nope, they're the united states' ally against scary brown people, so anything goes.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      This is the wrong approach. Even if Israel had an explicit law called the "Apartheid the Palestinians Law", those people would still call you an anti-semite for pointing it out.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      UN report called Israel an apartheid state (the report can be read here) but Israel was able to apply enough pressure to get the report withdrawn

      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-report/israel-imposes-apartheid-regime-on-palestinians-u-n-report-idUSKBN16M2IN

      http://opiniojuris.org/2017/03/19/the-disappearing-un-report-on-israeli-apartheid/

    • nine_leven [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      That Israeli law declaring it an ethnostate: https://www.npr.org/2018/07/19/630368973/israel-passes-controversial-law-reserving-national-self-determination-for-jews

      And the Prime Minister at the time taking to "social media" to affirm its intention:

      “Israel is not a state of all its citizens,” he wrote in response to criticism from an Israeli actor, Rotem Sela. “According to the basic nationality law we passed, Israel is the nation state of the Jewish people – and only it. As you wrote, there is no problem with the Arab citizens of Israel. They have equal rights like all of us and the Likud government has invested more in the Arab sector than any other government,” he said of his rightwing party.

      As the comments caused waves in Israel, Netanyahu again spoke of the issue at the start of a cabinet meeting. He called Israel a “Jewish, democratic state” with equal rights, but “the nation state not of all its citizens but only of the Jewish people”.

      Obviously self-contradicting drivel at best, at worst a confession that Palestinians would have just been gassed instead of relegated to an open air prison if not for the international attention. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/10/benjamin-netanyahu-says-israel-is-not-a-state-of-all-its-citizens

    • Red_Left_Hand [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Sorry for giving an incomplete answer at best, but one thing that comes to mind is the IDF and the extremely different recruitment rules for Orthodox Jews, Non-ortho Jews, Non-Jews, and Arabs.

  • solaranus
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    1 year ago

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  • InvaderZinn [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    MFW I'm not a real progressive because I don't hate every single Muslim or Arab in existence.

    Welp, I'm off to being a lolbertarian again, it was fun comrades.

    :libertarian-approaching: