I feel like this is the one pop culture issue where I have the most overlap with chuds. TLJ, bad. The Force Awakens? Also bad. Solo? Bad.
I liked Rogue One. It was bad too, but bad in a way that I still enjoyed it. Like Revenge of the Sith.
Not because they're "woke" or because "women and male feminists are trying to steal Star Wars from white men." But because they're uncreative corporate products and poorly told stories.
The rest of this is just whining that I'm a little embarrassed of but not so embarrassed that I'll delete it
(and, by that metric, TLJ was actually one of the best ones. It was trying to be creative, sometimes. It was just really bad at it). I have not watched and will not watch Rise of Skywalker or any of their Disney+ shows. Though I've seen clips from them and won't hesitate to deem them bad without actually watching them. Even the clips I saw from Mandolorian just seemed awful. I've been hearing good things about the new Andor show, but it's too late to go back now. Fuck em. I even read a bunch of the books in 2015/2016, and they were even worse than I would've thought.
Exactly two good pieces of art have come out of Disney Star Wars, and they're both novels by Alexander Freed. One's a tie-in to the spin-off game Battlefront, literally titled Star Wars: Battlefront: Twilight Company. The other is the novelization of Rogue One. And they're both weirdly good pieces of character-driven adventure fantasy. A tie-in to a spin-off. Those aren't even meant to be good, they're meant to make a cheap buck. I've read a lot of media tie-in novels in my life, and nearly all of them have been dogshit. Entertaining, sometimes*. But never good. Just seems like some strange miracle that the only bit of new Star Wars media I like comes from the least likely source. It's like... imagine a band you used to like puts out an album you hate, but then you happen to read the little booklet that comes with the CD and find it to be a moving piece of art all on its own.
*I was a teenager when I read most of them and had a much higher dogshit tolerance.
They honestly weren't. Being more like the slop we've had in the past would not have made the slop better, see the painfully dull Force Awakens, and The Last Jedi wasn't even particularly subversive. It's not even the Disney Wars movie that most subverted expectations, Rogue One easily has it beat.
The last Jedi is a bad movie with great concepts behind it that was done extra dirty by Rise of Skywalker being such an unmitigated disaster that threw away the few cool concepts Last Jedi gave it
And Rise of Skywalker shows so solidly that there was no plan for the overall plot of those movies, Disney just gave it to two guys who hate each other and said “good luck” before fucking with it even more
A few. First, the “who’s profiting off this war?” MIC plot line. Rey’s parents being nobodies. The idea that “the Jedi kinda sucked, actually.” That kid at the end using the force on his broom.
All good ideas with a real mediocre execution. But all of it was either ignored completely in Rise of Skywalker, or actively undone. Even concepts as simple as Kylo Ren not wearing his helmet anymore because he’s changed are undone immediately.
Literally the only one of those that’s well-trodden ground is “the Jedi kinda suck.” The top force-using characters have always had a bloodline. The concept of a military industrial complex profiting off both sides had never shown up before.
The top force-using characters have always had a bloodline. The concept of a military industrial complex profiting off both sides had never shown up before.
the last jedi does fucking suck
I feel like this is the one pop culture issue where I have the most overlap with chuds. TLJ, bad. The Force Awakens? Also bad. Solo? Bad.
I liked Rogue One. It was bad too, but bad in a way that I still enjoyed it. Like Revenge of the Sith.
Not because they're "woke" or because "women and male feminists are trying to steal Star Wars from white men." But because they're uncreative corporate products and poorly told stories.
The rest of this is just whining that I'm a little embarrassed of but not so embarrassed that I'll delete it
(and, by that metric, TLJ was actually one of the best ones. It was trying to be creative, sometimes. It was just really bad at it). I have not watched and will not watch Rise of Skywalker or any of their Disney+ shows. Though I've seen clips from them and won't hesitate to deem them bad without actually watching them. Even the clips I saw from Mandolorian just seemed awful. I've been hearing good things about the new Andor show, but it's too late to go back now. Fuck em. I even read a bunch of the books in 2015/2016, and they were even worse than I would've thought.
Exactly two good pieces of art have come out of Disney Star Wars, and they're both novels by Alexander Freed. One's a tie-in to the spin-off game Battlefront, literally titled Star Wars: Battlefront: Twilight Company. The other is the novelization of Rogue One. And they're both weirdly good pieces of character-driven adventure fantasy. A tie-in to a spin-off. Those aren't even meant to be good, they're meant to make a cheap buck. I've read a lot of media tie-in novels in my life, and nearly all of them have been dogshit. Entertaining, sometimes*. But never good. Just seems like some strange miracle that the only bit of new Star Wars media I like comes from the least likely source. It's like... imagine a band you used to like puts out an album you hate, but then you happen to read the little booklet that comes with the CD and find it to be a moving piece of art all on its own.
*I was a teenager when I read most of them and had a much higher dogshit tolerance.
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They honestly weren't. Being more like the slop we've had in the past would not have made the slop better, see the painfully dull Force Awakens, and The Last Jedi wasn't even particularly subversive. It's not even the Disney Wars movie that most subverted expectations, Rogue One easily has it beat.
The last Jedi is a bad movie with great concepts behind it that was done extra dirty by Rise of Skywalker being such an unmitigated disaster that threw away the few cool concepts Last Jedi gave it
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Absolutely baffling having the alternating snapping-at-each other directors for what you know will be a trilogy
And Rise of Skywalker shows so solidly that there was no plan for the overall plot of those movies, Disney just gave it to two guys who hate each other and said “good luck” before fucking with it even more
what great concepts?
A few. First, the “who’s profiting off this war?” MIC plot line. Rey’s parents being nobodies. The idea that “the Jedi kinda sucked, actually.” That kid at the end using the force on his broom.
All good ideas with a real mediocre execution. But all of it was either ignored completely in Rise of Skywalker, or actively undone. Even concepts as simple as Kylo Ren not wearing his helmet anymore because he’s changed are undone immediately.
So the "great concepts" are just ground already trodden by Star Wars before, lmao okay
Literally the only one of those that’s well-trodden ground is “the Jedi kinda suck.” The top force-using characters have always had a bloodline. The concept of a military industrial complex profiting off both sides had never shown up before.
neither of these things are true but okay
I liked it tho. :sadness: