Big Bang Theory is a terrible show.
It's not because of "nerd blackface." Fuck you :reddit-logo: for making that the presumed reason for anyone to dislike that show.
It's a misogynistic, cryptoracist, ignorantly ableist (setting back public understanding of autism by years) and lowkey homophobic unfunny mess that is written like the script was printed on plastic sheets made from melted down Funko Pops. Also, the :my-hero: worship is insufferable.
:WeAreNotTheSame:
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Nothing about the space program is beneficial to the working class, it’s the technological equivalent of trickle down economics. Every fucking cent spent on space colonization is a damn crime when it needs to go the global south.
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The pursuit of knowledge is pointless when it has no positive material impact on society. The space program is a fucking treat
Alternatively the space program is literally (specifically asteroid mining) such a monumental fucking threat to artificial scarcity and global south exploitation as a "system of doing business" that it will never happen under our existing ruling class (unless they can entirely control it and make it compatible) and should absolutely be pursued by AES countries with fervor as a means of liberation of the global proletariat from "the threat of scarcity" and any control the global north has over the global south.
Seriously there's a reason they're called rare earth metals. There are some (relatively easy to obtain) asteroids that contain so much of a specific metal that it would instantly tank most markets based on resource speculation and provide many many many times the earths current supply and projected needs rendering it as essentially common as oxygen as far as markets/scarcity is concerned, and I'm talking about obtaining ONE of them. Not whole ass belts, just single asteroids.
It's absurd.
The advancements we (globally) made by accident during the "space race" were so impactful that they absolutely drastically altered the lives of even completely "unintended" communities like the exploited global south for the better, and while in the context of liberation that's fairly meaningless, In the hands of an AES country and in the context of quality of life in a liberated existence it's fundamental to rapidly undoing the damage caused by imperialist occupation and enslavement.
Hand in hand there's literally no way to completely discount the goals of space exploration with a straight face unless you're a smug asshole who cares more about ideological "idealism" than material good.
I will happily concede that in capitalist societies literally none of the good that I talked about is even remotely likely to happen. Ask me why I dropped out of Aerospace Engineering.
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Could not agree more if I wanted to.
I one hundred percent agree with the general frustration of the people I've been responding to in regards to "technology wizarding our way out of this problem won't happen in a profit driven society", I just don't know how much clearer I can be about my counter argument being "but it is morally reprehensible to discard it for all societies as a result of that, and it is imperative that AES countries take the lead and destroy capitalist ones or let them collapse and decay as soon as possible, and then use that technology to being reversing the damage caused by them so far. Because we're WAY past the point of 'nature healing if we just stop being mean'".
DeBeers made sure that diamonds remained scarce and expensive by sitting on a mountain of them.
I don't see any reason why the current ruling class wouldn't do the same for asteroid riches.
Even if that wasn't the case, Earth-specific industrialization in the present treat treadmill imperative is already destroying the planet. Adding more consumable resources to that in the present system will just accelerate that destruction.
In regards to the DeBeers comment I agree, that's why I specified multiple times in capitalist control schemes there's almost zero reason to apply any of my reasoning, and mentioned that asteroid mining would only happen in the first place inside of one if they were able to fully monopolize and maintain said monopoly. Specifically, the entire rest of my message as stated multiple times is in defense of space and technology advancements in AES countries.
In regards to industrialization being the issue/"uncle ted" shit, do you apply this rhetoric to the development of China and the industrialization they've pursued to end extreme poverty etc? How about the pace at which they used technological advancements from capitalist societies to skip as much of the environmental damage of their industrialization and pace through it as rapidly as possible in order to deploy much cleaner more technologically advanced methods of manufacturing, energy production, etc. That exists under the present system. There is no "outside of this system" until it is destroyed, and there is no destroying this system without pursuing technological and industrial advantages in AES countries (with the goal of removing the economic/technological/cultural control global capitalist societies have because of their unipolar control of resources and global trade) and/or the destruction of key imperial core states by their proles. We will not hug away the carbon choking our planet as long as we all just dial back on the 'cool gadgets', or at least, good luck on convincing everyone to join you. That's been going real swell as the sole method by which we've been fighting climate change so far.
Idealism is of no real interest to me.
We need roses too
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I think the comrade is making this point based off of SpaceX and capitalism. Ofc in AES, we might one day pursue space exploration. As it happens now, it's a siphon on resources we need for a laundry list a mile long of things people need to survive. Yes, Starlink could be a good concept under a world socialist project, but my guess is that many here reject space work because its current incarnation is competing billionaires spending further billions on rockets
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I will admit you definitely have a different perspective than me. I respect what workers are doing, but I'll never praise the corporation, even if they're breaking new ground. None of the history changes the position of space exploration vis a vis other issues, even if one accepts that SpaceX is a marked improvement over NASA/DOD
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fuck off wanker