Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said her congressional office struggles to keep pace with the "astronomical" level of threatening messages that she receives each day
"they hate you anyway just be a real commie instead of a succdem"
Well put. There's a reason why there are plenty of armed Freikorps wannabe groups openly on the prowl, who only get the stick when they become too much of a liability to the state.
I’m pretty sure that if she goes that route her chance of being dead is close to 100%. Remember MLK?
I don't think so, it was the same thing when people thought Bernie would be assassinated if he became president. The US must manage a fine line between outright dictatorship and the democracy circus. Straight up murdering politicians is something you are supposed to read on some obscure CNN article about a third world country election, not in the US.
The better argument was that he would be mostly ineffectual on most issues including foreign policy. It is much easier to control Bernie than to kill him and risk the legitimacy of the empire. For AOC this is not even an issue, being a communist in US politics is even more useless.
She can believe that all she wants though, it is more comforting for these western libs to think they can't do shit out of personal sacrifice or safety than straight up admitting to being a damn coward.
JFKs presidential election campaign in 1960 ran on a confrontational policy with the USSR. He claimed that a missle gap had been allowed to develop and promised steep increases in military spending to meet this, when the Corona spy satellites brought back photo reconnaissance showing that the USSR had just four ICBMs capable of hitting the continental United States this generated no change in policy at all, he authorized the Bay of Pigs Invasion, he was belligerent throughout the Cuban Missile Crisis refusing to remove Atlas missiles form Turkey in exchange for the USSR removing its missiles from Cuba even though they were obsolete and earmarked for retirement when the Polaris SSBN became operational because of the insistence on the right of America to place missiles anywhere it chose, he then authorized Operation Mongoose, he began the planning for the 1964 Brazilian coup, and of course he expanded assisting the friendly dictatorship in Vietnam into an all out war. The man was not looking for "peaceful co-existence" with the USSR except on Americas terms.
Yeah I really don't get that angle on JFK at all. The man was ready for hot war. Makes it all the more confusing to me why he was merked
He wanted to get rid of the CIA for fucking up the bay of oinks
yeah, thats what I assumed it was as well. I think its actually more telling that they would kill him over that.
O word, yes that will do it. Thanks comrade, I wasn't aware of that part of the history.
No offense, but they literally assassinated JFK in broad daylight because he wanted a “peaceful co-existence” with Khrushchev’s USSR.
That is true, but imo that was also 70 years ago, the USSR no longer exists, the US won and the point is that now they must maintain their legitimacy.
Killing Bernie, then kill AOC, then someone kills Abe and suddenly people in the west may start having funny ideas that killing politicians is cool and good actualy.
Besides what is likely to radicalize "far leftists" as they say? Seeing Bernie spend 4 years doing nothing or AOC doing some communist roleplay and getting dunked? Or seeing leftist in power getting murdered one by one.
You know why.
Most of the people doing this are probably in groups run by FBI informants.
New theory just dropped: we push socdems left by being the only people willing to do security for them (and we are ancoms and Marxist commies).
One thing to remember is that the people who do threats of violence towards politicians and journalists -- especially when they're women victims -- the people who make these threats even if they don't attack the politicians/journalist are a threat to other people near them and end up attacking others in some form.
Worked on KF, why not here? These death threat types only use violence because they know it won’t have consequences.
Yeah. I don't know which agency handles security for congresscritters, but if you're making death threats it's probably pretty easy for the police to figure out who you are. The Secret Service is pretty reliable about showing up at your front door if you even joke about hurting the president, but I don't know how seriously threats against Congress are taken.
I don’t even know how private security (I presume that’s what she hires) can work against state security.
I guess the simple, but stupid answer is that it can't until it can. This is fundamentally about the state's capacity to muster resources & manpower to it's own defense vs. that of internal opposition & coalitions. IDK when, precisely, the inflection point on that would happen; but I don't think it's strictly possible for the US to ignore it's own Real Economy indefinitely out to that point.
It's one thing to never win wars you never actually intended to win (but are able to use to sell beaucoup-bucks worth of hardware) 10,000 miles away. It's another to not actually be able to establish & hold meaningful ground in your own back yard.
I suppose it all comes down to if/when it comes time for Capital's Greatest Soldiers to themselves be consumed by insatiable vortex of financialization. Of course they would fight back against that, but... I suppose that's when the question of who really is in control would get answered, and also it would more than likely create openings...
That’s how it goes for people on the left living in a fascist state.
I don't know for absolutely sure right now, but IDK that we're going to actually get the Militant Christo-Fascist State (or I suppose I should say not one of either the National Christian "Socialist" / "National Christian" Capitalist, variety). At least; not in the immediate term. Not in the next 4-8 years, I think...
The political economy they support; that they require to fulfill their ambitions of "National Renewal", and "vengance" against perceived internal & external slights; is anathema to the United State's real interests as the World Financial Capital & it's dominant class. They also require a degree of popular mobilization that is, again, completely unacceptable to the real powers in the US. This is why we got Biden & I think it's going to be why we may not actually get a DeSantis or Trump/Neo-Trump in the future.
When even the most meager proposed reform is met with such ferocious resistance from Capital and its loyal hogs, I can't help but wonder what it could spell for the American Left down the line. I'm cautiously hopeful but I know we're going into a dark tunnel as things worsen.
I think it has a lot to do with regions and that the American left is going to encounter a very splintered country. You'll find pockets of leftism in heavily conservative areas and vice-versa for the opposite.
Get rekt
Go west
Found Californian Soviet Republic
Engage in People's War
?????
Revolution
Omg why didn't we think of this before
What why? She hasn't been in the news since Brandon stole the election
She's a Latina socialist in US government. That's like the worst thing you can be, except a Muslim socialist in US government.
I think Omar, when asked why she didn't ID as a socialist like AOC, said it was hard enough being a Muslim w/ hijab (or something to that effect)
Obviously at best AOC and Omar are sucdems but still
AOC is running for re-election right now. The election is November 8, 2022. Her opponent is a MAGA chud who attended the January 6 insurrection and running a campaign focused on anti-immigration.
https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/2022-elections/2022/09/29/tina-forte--aoc-s-opponent--is-a-jan--6-attendee-with-ties-to-extremists
I really feel like legal ramifications for threats of violence against a government offical should be used in this case and not weird small mayors who throw it on everyone who retweets memes.
She always received messages telling her we should eat the rich, she just started to take them personally since shes rich now.
:brainworms:
She's not rich and also Marxism isn't a poverty cult. Having enough money to have nice things doesn't make you a capitalist.
The class conflict is working class vs capitalist class, not rich vs poor. I want all working class people to have nice things.
this is just a weird, kinda ugly comment tbh. I get its probably a joke, but I think it sucks that AOC probably gets a thousand death threats from the nations most devoted violent weirdo cops a day.
Always trying to garner sympathy. Like when she cried after voting present on funding for the iron dome. What happened to her outrage over the kids in cages after biden took office? If she wasn’t so self obsessed, I would care.
There's a time and place to dunk on AOC. In the thread where chuds are threatening violence against her is probably not the place.
AOC is seen as one of the leftmost figures in American politics. Chuds aren't threatening her because she voted to fund the iron dome. Chuds are threatening her because they think she's a commie. I think that someone who gets violent threats from chuds for being perceived as being a communist deserves some sympathy, yes.
Are you denying that she gets threats from chuds? Are you supporting threats against her from chuds? What is wrong with you?
post irony online leftists who just want to dunk on AOC weird me out. Yeah shes not a communist but when she gets killed for being the USA's most famous soc-dem thats not a good day for left.
I get what you’re saying. I guess I’m just overly frustrated, bitter, and jaded. The fact that the most well-known populists the American left has are cynical career politicians like Bernie and AOC just pisses me off. And then we’re expected to feel bad for them?
I mean you probably disagree, and that’s fair, but I’m just disillusioned with all politicians at this point.
you dont think this reads as kinda overly jaded in a psycho way? Nancy Pelosi is a much richer and more powerful person than Bernie & AOC. I think if we don't feel slightly bad about a DSA oriented politician getting death threats then we've lost something.
Im not saying you have to go cry in the streets, or throw yourself in front of a train but, to quote @dead up there
I think that someone who gets violent threats from chuds for being perceived as being a communist deserves some sympathy, yes.
I don’t support any of the threats, I just don’t feel bad for a career politician like AOC. Just like I don’t care about the death threats towards pelosi. I view them as basically being the same at this point. They both exist to perpetuate and promote the dem party, an institution that stifles change.
Do real populists or revolutionaries cry to the media every time they feel threatened? Or do they take it on the chin and go on with what they were doing? Sympathy for her isn’t going to determine whether the fascists take power.
