:melon-musk: 's take is still the vague galaxy brained kind of take you'd expect from him, but it sure brought out the :LIB: in one of the few subreddits I was still managing to enjoy.
until Khrushchev's mistake
this asshole has a better understanding of Russian history than 99% of people I talk to now. goddammit now people are going to think i'm copying him
Are 99% of peoples that you talked to know about Russian/USSR history at all. Or they just hear it from CNN or their favorite liberal media/talking person.
borders are fake
I imagine the approval vs. disapproval of the various oblasts would look more like a gradient. No matter what you're consigning some people who have lived in the same place for generations to be a part of a country they don't want to be in merely by virtue of a line on a map.
very bad way to organize a society!
imagine if you will, a world where you could draw the lines on the map but you had to give a shit about how the people it impacted would feel
i am in awe of how normal and sensible this take is like damn i don't want to have to hand it to mr :melon-musk: but fuck when he is right, he is right can't argue with that
like it is a bit of capitulating on the ukraine side but like russia would have to accept the risk of losing their new annexed regions on the election thing so i feel it is fair enough like you are not ending this war without concessions anyway unless someone actually wins, which takes a long time and an incredible ammount of human misery and that is just bad vibes all around, and i am nothing if not a vibe based thinker
Yeah, if there were genuine elections, I'm not sure if any of the 4 regions would 100% join. Two have been divided for the past 8 years, and the other two were conquered this year.
like people are wondering how do you convince ukraine, not even considering how WILD it would be for russia to accept losing at least 2 of those, i feel the more recent ones would be real likely to just go back, the other 2 are a bit harder to tell, but THEY REALLY WANT CRIMEA and i think they would actually choose that over the ukrainian land they took especially if this deal makes it is an official part of russia and ukraine or the us will not annoy them over it
That's kinda why I've thought basically since the beginning at least just let Russia have Crimea
Zelensky put up a poll that asked if you like the Elon that supports Ukraine or Russia? Seeing someone like Elon getting paraded around by Ukrainian officials during the middle of a war still baffles me. Celebrity culture knows no bounds.
They used Starlink as a propaganda tool, as in propagandizing the US population into believing that it would have a benefit in the conflict. Of course it only happened because the US Gov funded it but that part is always in the small print or not even mentioned in the glowing media coverage Elon received from it, including props from Zelensky. I could see it being a tough spot when a guy that you gave huge props to is now suggesting that you fold, but it's good practice for when the rest of the western elites will undoubtedly tell Zelensky the same thing in the coming weeks.
Zelensky won’t take the fall until he gets a Netflix contract like Obama’s.
He will NOT settle for paramount plus.
I mean, from what I know about the homie, that sounds accurate. Please correct me if wrong!
At least make it a documentary about the war or smthing, I wanna get the next nature doc again
The responses in that thread sadden me. I guess people genuinely believe Ukraine can win quickly (idk if they can because I'm not a military strategist, but I definitely won't take Ukraine's word for it).
Also great that no one ever looks at events leading up to other events, things randomly happen in a vacuum. Putin rolls a d20 to see if he feels like invading any specific neighbouring country that day.
There was someone in the comments saying Elon is stupid for thinking Putin can be negotiated with, when he's obviously just evil and insane. What Marvel brain does to a mf
"We will not negotiate with terrorists" for a new generation
:agony-soviet:
Tbh he's been significantly less predictable that I would have given him credit for. I'm certainly far from an expert on much of any of this, but it seems that the decision to invade and pretty much every step thereafter has been mismanaged.
Russia won't invade, that'd be stupid
Russia invades
It's stupid
c'est la vie
‘F**k off, Nuke Russia’: Reddit responds to Elon Musk over ‘solution to Russian war.
But Elon, shouldnt you be happy rn? People are paying attention!
:ukkkraine:-heads vs :my-hero:'s hordes. Love to see it.
Liberals: "It's the government that I hate, not the people! I swear I'm not racist! It's just the government!"
Also liberals: "Modern Russia and the USSR are the exact same country and everything is the fault of the Russian people."
Modern Russia and the USSR are the exact same country
I fucking wish.
if they do they think it did an imperialism on all those places. if you're really lucky they can name a couple of them that haven't recently been in the news
The world is fucked when Elon Musk of all people has a reasonable peace plan
hey he's still wrong about Crimea.
bring back the crimean KHAN
The Golden Horde will come back and make things right. Any day now...
KHAAAAAAAN tame these mewling capitalist pigs and the new SSRs will provide ample grazing land under your benevolent suzerainty :inshallah-script:
Funniest outcome: Russia agrees to this on twitter, is banned.
Hot take, if a genuine election was given, I'm not even sure if all four of the annexed oblasts would vote to join Russia. I think the two in the Donbas probably would join, but I'm not sure if the other two would join
I think that vote would be mostly driven by people afraid of being declared collaborators by Ukraine (like it did even with people who just took Russian humanitarian aid) and not by personal convictions, as such I think that currently Russian controlled areas would vote for Russia while Ukrainian-controlled areas would probably vote for Ukraine.
