Ok I started some struggle sessions. Got any more ?

  • Speaker [e/em/eir]
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    4 years ago

    Veganism. Serious discussions of how we actually need to prepare for climate collapse.

    • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      I guess veganism could be considered preparation for climate change, but it's moreso a movement to reduce the impacts and push back against climate destruction.

        • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          Well yeah but with the water shortages we'd be forced off of meat by then anyway, so I don't consider that "preparation" on an individual level, unless you mean development of vegan industry in which case you're right that's important prep.

            • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
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              4 years ago

              I consider setting up a farming supply chain a form of industry.

              When I mean personal veganism I mean consumer choices. Which would make transitioning to them easier over time than being forced to when shortages occur, but isn't really preparation.

              'Veganism' most often refers to individual choices and not industry change though, so that's why I interpreted it that way. Industry change is a slow consequence of it of course.

    • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Animal liberation comes after the revolution because how the fuck can we get people to stop killing cows when its profitable?

      I'm vegan btw

      • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        how the fuck can we get people to stop killing cows when its profitable?

        Substitutions through capitalism and a repeal of subsidies is actually working in that lane for dairy.

        • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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          Is it? Growth is slowing but dairy production and consumption is still growing in the US. Here is USDA data on dairy consumption and here is production. More data here https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/dairy-data/dairy-data/

          edit: this is the most viable short term method however

          • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Milk consumption in US has been on a steady decline for the past few years.

            https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/dairy-farmers-crisis-milk-consumption-prices

            • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              Yeah liquid milk consumption is decreasing, but across all dairy products (cheese, yogurt, etc.) consumption continues to rise. It will be interesting to see if the trend of milk expands to other dairy products.

      • Speaker [e/em/eir]
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        Damn, if only it were possible to sabotage the machinery of slaughter. Shucks, guess this is just another thing that has to wait for the revolution (any day now, I swear), like healthcare, housing, food, water, climate change, etc.

        • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          What you're going to go terrorize some slaughterhouses or some dairies? Go for it. We can't even legally film in these places, how are we going shut them down en masse without state power?