Ok I started some struggle sessions. Got any more ?

  • Speaker [e/em/eir]
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    4 years ago

    Veganism. Serious discussions of how we actually need to prepare for climate collapse.

    • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
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      4 years ago

      I guess veganism could be considered preparation for climate change, but it's moreso a movement to reduce the impacts and push back against climate destruction.

        • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          Well yeah but with the water shortages we'd be forced off of meat by then anyway, so I don't consider that "preparation" on an individual level, unless you mean development of vegan industry in which case you're right that's important prep.

            • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
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              I consider setting up a farming supply chain a form of industry.

              When I mean personal veganism I mean consumer choices. Which would make transitioning to them easier over time than being forced to when shortages occur, but isn't really preparation.

              'Veganism' most often refers to individual choices and not industry change though, so that's why I interpreted it that way. Industry change is a slow consequence of it of course.

    • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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      4 years ago

      Animal liberation comes after the revolution because how the fuck can we get people to stop killing cows when its profitable?

      I'm vegan btw

      • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        how the fuck can we get people to stop killing cows when its profitable?

        Substitutions through capitalism and a repeal of subsidies is actually working in that lane for dairy.

        • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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          Is it? Growth is slowing but dairy production and consumption is still growing in the US. Here is USDA data on dairy consumption and here is production. More data here https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/dairy-data/dairy-data/

          edit: this is the most viable short term method however

          • 90u9y8gb9t86vytv97g [they/them]
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            4 years ago

            Milk consumption in US has been on a steady decline for the past few years.

            https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/dairy-farmers-crisis-milk-consumption-prices

            • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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              4 years ago

              Yeah liquid milk consumption is decreasing, but across all dairy products (cheese, yogurt, etc.) consumption continues to rise. It will be interesting to see if the trend of milk expands to other dairy products.

      • Speaker [e/em/eir]
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        Damn, if only it were possible to sabotage the machinery of slaughter. Shucks, guess this is just another thing that has to wait for the revolution (any day now, I swear), like healthcare, housing, food, water, climate change, etc.

        • Dimmer06 [he/him,comrade/them]
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          4 years ago

          What you're going to go terrorize some slaughterhouses or some dairies? Go for it. We can't even legally film in these places, how are we going shut them down en masse without state power?

      • Sen_Jen [they/them]
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        4 years ago

        Hot take: guns without context are bad. In a functioning society people shouldn't have to own guns. Obviously under the context of capitalism, the working class should be armed, but in peak dreamland utopia people should not require the ability to kill other people. The only use for guns should be in self-defense against dangerous predators.

          • asaharyev [he/him]
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            Hunting is one of the very few ethical ways to get meat. Population control is sometimes necessary now that humans have destabilized a lot of rural habitat.

            For example, the hunting of Deer and Moose in Maine ensures that their populations to not grow so large that other herbivores are unable to survive. It can also help to prevent population crashes if the populations grow unsustainably.

            Perhaps, with strident effort of predator reintroduction and a reduction of human footprint on the environment, hunting will be reduced until it is no longer needed. But right now it is helpful both for humans and for many hunted species. As someone who grew up poor in a rural community, hunting is the reason my family was able to keep from going hungry.

        • RION [she/her]
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          4 years ago

          What defenses would exist in such a utopia against capitalist insurrection? Unless part of the utopia is that nobody could ever be convinced to agitate for capitalism

    • TemporalMembrane [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      I think the summer protests and shootings have finally purged us of anti-gun elements. Hard to imagine anyone is left that is both into revolutionary leftism and is anti-gun.

    • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Probably one of my favorite Virgil cold openings, and them completely shitting on the Notre Dame after that was funny as hell.

  • Owl [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Market socialism!

    All businesses are coops, homes belong to the occupant only, wealth tax, safety net.

    Is this sufficient? Good enough to get the rest of the way there on its own? Competition was the root of all evil all along so this is still bad? Money was the root of all evil all along so this is still bad?