Prager: "There's no secular argument against adult incest. Brother and sister want to make love, what's your argument? That they're going to produce mentally ret0rded offspring? That's nonsense. It takes many generations of inbreeding to do that."
Just further reinforces my belief that it's reactionaries consuming the mock incest porn that's all over porn websites. Family values, my ass. Also what in the fuck man.
Reason 7821 that porn should be abolished post-revolution:
Tired: Right-wingers filming their spouse angrily taking the current "gone woke" bugbear product out of their house and into their driveway. Then they run it over with their monster pickup.
Wired: Right-wingers fucking their siblings to own the libs.
Galaxy brain: Filming that.
I mean, everyone with two braincells who actually watches the video will understand he's making an argument that a secular morality (based consent) is insufficient to capture certain moral intuitions, not defending incest.
Yeah, but we can take him out of context and argue in bad faith.
Leftist: "dennis prager wants to turn his family tree in to a wreath"
Chud: "nuh uh that's not what he meant!"
Leftist: "whatever man i don't argue with people who want to fuck their siblings"
Yeah, but we can take him out of context and argue in bad faith.
You're goddamn right we can.
This is one of the left's key failures: trying to suss out facts and logic when you're clearly engaging with a propaganda piece. Yeah, of course it's a lie. It's propaganda. Absolutely take that shit in bad faith to win people over. Fuck 'em.
He's giving himself away though, I don't think anyone would even think of this unless they wanted to fuck their brother or sister.
I don't care to listen to Prager or be charitable or fair to him in the slightest.
It's fucking weird dude that's what's wrong with it. I don't need an academic argument against it.
Not to mention that the vast majority of incest is just straight-out rape, so there's that on top of it
Exactly, Its fucking mental manipulation and abuse!
As far as I understand "it's weird" is an actual psychological thing where people of roughly the same age who grow up together are less likely to be sexually attracted to each other, and the hypothesis is that this is an evolutionary advantage because it makes people seek out mates they are not closely related too.
The Westermarck effect. It was documented a fair bit among children in the kibbutz system, where the people growing up in it didn't want to marry each other because they saw them as siblings.
"It takes many generations of inbreeding to do that.”
Yeah so don't fucking start you freak
unfortunately for Dennis Prager, it doesn't take many generations to manifest significant problems either. the first generation will be loaded dice for offspring with autosomal genetic disorders. full sibling is tied for highest degree of consanguinity, alongside parent/child.
Secular argument against incest even for those that don't want kids is power dynamics of growing up together as siblings in the same house, like seriously? Can people not think for five seconds?
Prager thinks abusive power dynamics are divinely ordained and ontologically good. He wouldn't understand why that's a problem.
Frankly I find the "because it's wierd" argument that some people here have landed on extremely bad. That has been exactly the reason behind sodomy laws for as long as they've existed, and we know those are bad. Luckily there is a decent argument against incest, because Prager is showing his ignorance of the topic.
Incest between siblings of similar age is vanishingly rare, but probably shouldn't be illegal because there's no real reason for it to be (and if you make it illegal, as in Germany, you create wierd edge cases where siblings who were separated at birth might hook up as adults and suddenly realize that their relationship is illegal despite that not making sense). Prager pretends that this is the only kind of incest that exists.
The real problem with incest is parents abusing their children and older siblings abusing younger ones. The power dynamic at play there makes it impossible to give consent, and highly questionable even if both parties are adults.
Frankly I find the “because it’s wierd” argument that some people here have landed on extremely bad.
:yea:
if power dynamics don't make it fucked up then it's not fucked up
Dennis Prager
First man to admit jerking it to House of the Dragon
I hate how any rudimentary interest in existentialism gets disregarded as "pffft, that's the talk of a freshman philosophy student who just smoked a joint" but shit like this everyone :so-true:'s at when it's just as rudimentary and certainly lamer.
This tracks entirely if you consider the amount of people who think hierarchies are good.
Me figure out stuff? fuck no
me being told stuff? oh hell yeah
There's no way to not be the target of ridicule for this but the inbreeding argument against incest is easily solved by birth control and the implication of "if you fuck to procreate your children might be disabled, so you don't get to" is....not great.
I'm with /u/betelgeuse on this, it's fucking weird dude. Isn't there like an actual biological drive that makes you detest the concept (because birth control is super recent?)
I shudder to think what would happen if we could test for ASD in-vitro.
I don't think it changes anything for those were/would've been before before the testing was available.
Eugenics at the family level just doesn't concern me, it's none of my business.
If, to create a more difficult example than “don’t fuck your twin brother”, some guy has a condition where all of his sperm are super mutated and produce a drastically deformed child, if for some reason he has some egotistical need to father children anyway, you should tell him not to.
If this was a 100% percent chance, yes. But even then: birth control takes care of this problem. If it's a less than 100% chance, where do you draw the line?
It’s like calling it eugenics to say that someone with a severe motor disability should not be a pilot (in a society where pilots are paid well).
This is a bad comparison. Sex is an integral part of life, being a pilot ain't. I also don't want the pilot that can't actually steer the plane, sure, but who am I to stop him from fucking?
It’s not aobut your fundamental worth, it’s about the fact you’ll get people fucking killed!.
This just opens a tray of cans of worms, honestly. Like how far do you wanna extend this? What if my progeny becomes a cop? Am I culpable?
For some it isn't, but for others it is.
It made it into Maslow's hierarchy.
So long as we’re not killing people or forcibly sterilizing them or whatever, trying to minimize the presence of disability in society is a reasonable position!
I don't agree, the latter will inevitably lead to the former, as people with disabilities are inherently made more marginal by their lack of presence in a given society.
IMO there is no such thing as a version of a society that embraces "genetic purity" that won't eventually do that. It inherently assumes that to be disabled is to be less human.
Good point. I'll stick with "Its fucking wrong what the hell? Why is god the one having to tell you this? Is he the only reason you don't?".
Yeah, I really don't get the weirdos fixation on it, the very thought or image or really anything to do with it makes me want to throw up.
I mean it is weird but doesn't our perception of what is weird come from society.
like the "murder bad cause Bible no murder is bad because I know murder is bad" argument does ignore that in England murder used to be a socially acceptable method of resolving disputes until Alfred the great thinking the sin of murder was bringing vikings fully outlawed feud based killings.
If you were raised in a society that didn't have the value of these things as bad then you would not have that as a social value and to claim otherwise is idealism
"Murder" is basically "all bad killing" anyway. If feuds and duels are "good" killing then they're not murder.
Ok I should clarify we now consider it bad to kill people because they annoyed or insulted you
Yes, exactly! The internet is poisoned with this shit! so is anime
Why does anime have so much of all this?
I checked, and he doesn't even have a sister. He has a brother though, and as a secular I guess I can't really argue against it.
I mean he did say it was bad according to the Bible. Its basically like all those nutjobs saying 'bible says murder bad so I dont murder but I totally would if it said it ok'
Waiting for his next video where he gets stuck in the washing machine.
Hi Dennis, if you could just face this wall please...
