The bill banning the promotion of non-traditional sexual relationships may be passed in the first reading next week, and in November it may go to President Vladimir Putin for his signature. TASS was reported by Duma Speaker Vyacheslav Volodin as saying.
According to him, within the next week, the law may be adopted in the I reading, then in the II and III, and after - sent to the Council of Federation. Volodin expressed hope that Putin will sign the bill in November.
The Duma speaker also noted that the bill to ban gay propaganda is not meant to limit, but to protect the rights of citizens. He believes that this document should have been adopted much earlier.
Earlier, it was reported that the Russian government gave a favorable review of the bill providing for LGBT propaganda charges.
:fidel-wut: Why can't Russia be more like Cuba
Reminder for everyone here to support the Rainbow Railroad.
Weird factoid, they didn't even want to say the word 'homosexuality' in the final draft, they changed it to 'non-traditional sexual relationship', so it effects basically any queer person trying to be in any sort of relationship.
Look at you, Russia.
Under Lenin, you once stood so proud to oppose America's culture of arrogance. Now you fully embrace American values of hatred and evil.
I really wish the west wouldn't use minority rights as a weapon to undermine its political rivals. We are destroying progressive social movements by making them look like color revolutions.
It's like forcibly dressing a civilian in a soldier's uniform and acting outraged when they get shot.
I really wish the west wouldn’t use minority rights as a weapon to undermine its political rivals.
Fairly easy for the political rivals to defend themselves against that. They just have to follow Cuba's example and recognize the rights of LGBT people. Not only is it the right thing to do, it costs literally nothing and closes down a potential attack vector for atrocity propaganda and color revolutions, whereas repression constantly widens that same vector.
My critical support always ends where our oppression and ultimately extermination begins. Governments that torture their LGBT community, that force us in the closet, have nobody to blame but themselves when it backfires against them. This is a problem that can literally be solved with the stroke of a pen, there's no excuse for such reactionary garbage.
This is why my stance on the Ukraine war is revolutionary defeatism, not critical support of Russia.
East Germany is another perfect example of easy it is to just solve this and how many benefits you get from just not being a piece of shit.
If you're in the west, wouldn't revolutionary defeatism and support for Russia have the same desired outcome wrt your country's actions?
I think Cuba was well-positioned to incorporate progressive causes into their socialist struggle because the foreign opposition was backing Catholic reactionaries for so long. It wasn't until fairly recently that we've tried to weaponize culture against them, and it's failing because those minority rights were already part of their revolutionary model.
This is awful and no doubt largely caused by plain old reactionary thinking, but we should also recognize our own empire's role in reinforcing these reactionary views by using them as a cloak for regime change. As an American with no say in how Russia manages its affairs, I choose to focus on my own country's role in the conflict.
E: I absolutely agree that countries could defang these movements by just taking a better stance on minority rights, but I'm very very wary when it is westerners telling them to do so.
If you’re in the west, wouldn’t revolutionary defeatism and support for Russia have the same desired outcome wrt your country’s actions?
It is very similar in practice, yes. Opposing Russian engagement in the war falls to my Russian comrades, just as opposing NATO engagement in the war is my duty. The argument here is mostly theoretical, but it can and does make a difference in how i comment on the war. I have to argue differently when i oppose Ukraine than when i support Russia, even when the desired end result of ending the war may be the same in both cases.
This is why my stance on the Ukraine war is revolutionary defeatism
This attitude completely ignores the global importance of Russia to China. If Russian anti-imperialism is defeated and becomes part of their block China will also fall.
Revolutionary defeatism was a perfectly fine attitude to have when communists had nothing to lose. This is not the case today. We do have something to lose and our positions must constantly assess what we have to lose vs gain.
It just doesn't even make sense that Russia is banning it. Ah yes, lets make a class of people that hate our government and would love to see it destroyed because basic human rights, like love between two consenting adults, are no longer supported for them. I'm sure that will be good for long term stability and won't create any domestic born foreign agents!
Its so stupid and evil. Like if Cuba is threatened from anything in lgbt people are now strongly encouraged to implicly support the government because the west gaining any ground can only worsen their living conditions. Its turning potentially your strongest supporters into domestic born foregin agents.
Nah, Russia would ban it anyway. Social conservatives use "they're brainwashing our kids through the queers" as a cover, it isn't and never will be true.
It's been driving me up the wall talking to liberals about the current unrest in Iran.
They can't connect the dots as to why the government gets support whenever the US and its "allies" openly talk of regime change supposedly on the behalf of progressive movements.
For real. It's like, I hope this movement succeeds! I also hope we stay the fuck out because we always make things worse!
But Americans are so used to other countries' problems being something for America to come in and fix, so wanting to sit out is seen as support for the status quo.
Which is ironically the opposite case. Of course, this is certainly beneficial to the US who wants to justify its presence in the Middle East, so win-win.
Why can’t Russia be more like Cuba
Because we killed socialism in Russia but couldn't do so in Cuba. Also Cuba is a smaller country and therefore less a threat to western hegemony on the international stage so the attempts to undermine it have been more passive since the Bay of Pigs.
Easier to just impose sanctions and economic blockade them in perpetual siege.
Cuba also limits the church's influence whereas Putin is regularly seen with the patriarch or whatever the hell they're called
Hell, even the leadership Communist Party of Russia is regularly seen with the orthodox church The fall of the USSR and it's consequences :deeper-sadness:
Blaming western imperialism is an easy excuse put out by both the Russian Orthodox church and the bigots who control the Russian government.
Queer people are a minority group that is fixated on as a “simple” target by reactionaries.
The Cuban Evangelical bloc is very vocal and holds more power than it should. The recent lgbt legislation is a step in the right direction though.
Oh sweet, didn't know we had that flag.
:russia-cool::stalin-gun-1::USSR:
Good to know that the RF, which is actively in a war with its neighbor, has its priorities straight :russia-cool:
Why can’t Russia be more like Cuba
:russia-cool: :stalin-gun-1::diaz-canel-troll:
https://rg.ru/2022/10/18/volodin-nazval-datu-rassmotreniia-zakonoproektov-o-zaprete-lgbt-propagandy.html
More info. I'm having a hard time finding the full text of the bill, but this is a summary. I think the full text will be released on the 27th or slightly before.
Volodin reminded that he conducted a poll on the necessity of such a ban. More than 1,680,000 people took part in it, 70 percent were "for", 25 - "against", the rest of the participants did not care.
On the topic of the ban on propaganda of non-traditional relationships in the State Duma held parliamentary hearings. "It was decided next week, on Thursday (October 27th), to consider the relevant bills," the speaker said.
He named the main provisions.
In the media, Internet, books, movies, advertisements, etc. are prohibited:
- LGBT propaganda,
- promotion of pedophilia,
- LGBT portrayals and information encouraging sex reassignment.
Penalties for violating the law will be up to 800 thousand rubles for individuals and up to 10 million rubles for legal entities. The maximum penalty will face for propaganda of pedophilia. The fine for LGBT propaganda will be up to 100 thousand rubles for citizens and up to one million rubles for legal entities. If such information was disseminated through the Internet or the media, fines will go up to 400 thousand rubles for citizens and up to 5 million for legal entities.
"We must protect our citizens and Russia from degradation and extinction. From the darkness spread by the United States and European states," Volodin summarized.
For the record, 100k rubles is 1.6k USD. 1mill is 16k USD.
More right-wing religious extremists targeting people's rights, what's new?
Abortion ban in the US, LGBT ban in Russia.
It's all fascist kingdoms each trying to control people's lives so they have an army of meat shields to protect the oligarchy
One can only hope that one day, leftism will return to Russia and propel it forward and away from the dark age of kings once more.
Weird factoid, they didn’t even want to say the word ‘homosexuality’ in the final draft, they changed it to ‘non-traditional sexual relationship’, so it effects basically any queer person trying to be in any sort of relationship.
sounds like a ban on most forms of kinky sex too
sounds like a ban on most forms of kinky sex too
sodomy bans in the US applied to straights doing butt stuff if you were dumb enough to talk about it and the local pigs didn't like you
We used to have some of that here before the liberals took power and decided to stop.
