That's literally the best possible outcome you fuckin dweeb
did cops killing dozens of protestors in summer 2020 normalize political violence?
They never reported on how many people were killed and how many political prisoners were taken, so Libs never asked that question.
I've had a hard time actually finding that info compiled, do you know anywhere that it is, for agiprop uses?
I don't know. I've never seen any article that even tried to count how many police killings in 2020 were directly or indirectly related to BLM, or that tries to create an accounting of all the people imprisoned on trumped up charges.
The /r/2020policebrutality subreddit might have some bits of that, but basically no
Pelosi may be on the road to recovery, but American democracy is going down a very dark path.
Going?
I read this this morning and just thought it was the most condescending schoolteacher-telling-off kids thing I have read in along time. Like, c'mon - a boozehound like him being hammered is a fucking great line - it practically wrote itself. This whole fucking civility thing isn't aimed at chuds in an attempt to shame them, that line has well and truly been stepped over and is 50km back down the road, fading fast. Nah, it's the whole high/low horseshit again and again.
The sheer amount of denial and inability to understand just how precarious and dangerous things are right now is incredible.
Who do they think we've been talking about when we say "Eat the Rich" for the last decade?
That's right. Paul "nine digit net worth" Pelosi.
Funny thing is - This is the second time that GOP fanatics have tried to kill or capture Pelosi. I wonder if she'll figure out that they want her dead now.
What do you do when an 82-year-old man is attacked at his home with a hammer? You laugh about it, of course.
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This article is just whine whine whine "How could they be so uncivil!"
Like wake up and smell the fascism, dude. Your options are to crush them now, or die in a camp later, and it's probably already too late to choose A.
Hot take but more political violence in a country as reactionary as America just means more fascist violence against marginalized people. It's very one-sided because unlike the fascists, American leftists don't have the capacity or willingness for organized violence. Violence is bad if we can't win.
That being said, it's good when bad things happen to bad people and crying about the jokes is a little much.
Yeah that's why we can't just be encouraging "political violence" - but for violence against the ruling class in favor of the working class, in whatever form that needs to take. Messaging is more important than some folks on the left give it credit for.
I think this attack and Jan 6th show it's actually not necessarily going to be more violence against marginalized people. To be clear - there will be violence against the marginalized, but unfortunately that's ongoing. Mass shooters, police violence, hate crimes, so many different forms of violence have already scaled up. I think what these recent events indicate is that the fascists are beginning to attack the Liberal political class as well. We see them malding at both democratic libs and 'conservatives' :same-picture: who don't go far enough to enable their goals, ie Liz Cheney and Mike Pence.
As fascists get more bold I expect the ongoing violence against the marginalized to continue, and that's a bad thing, but it's interesting that they're finally targeting the people in actual positions of power too. That's an important shift in how the Liberal political class will treat fascists.
This. Paul Pelosi getting attacked is a one-off where the attacker got lucky but what's really coming down the pipeline is more violence towards people like lgbtq or poc.
Of course that's what it means. The problem is that people think laughing at something is normalizing it. What does that even mean? That's something purely borne from the internet. People online get mad when people laugh at things that they don't like therefore they come up with a reason why it's more than just bad taste, it's an ethical issue. If you laugh at something you're encouraging it. Wishing for something makes it happen. It's purely detached from how power works.
You're not saying that wishing for stuff makes it happen, but the person who wrote that article is. A fascist 4channer didn't beat up Pelosi because people on the internet don't take things seriously enough. It happens for a variety of systemic reasons laid out in this thread. The internet discourse around political violence isn't even a stone thrown into a raging river to stop its course. It's people being splashed while standing on the eroding banks before the flood waters take them.
:you-think-this-is-funny: : An 82-year-old man is in the hospital and you think that's funny?
:hammer-sickle: :anarchy-a-white: : :yes-hahaha-yes-l:
There's plenty of political violence already. I might even hazard to say that all politics is violence. It's just rarely directed at the bourgeoisie and that's what liberals don't want to be normalized.
Maybe if they keep hammering this point, it will stick in our heads!
Stop shooting me at my polling station drumpf supporterrr, you are literally normalizing the heckin political violencerinoo!!
Political violence is the new reality folks, whining about it will probably make it worse for you because you are letting them know how effective it is.
Political violence is normalised, they just don't care. When the police attack homeless camps, when they attack shoplifters, when they arrest and imprison drug users and dealers - this is all political. But that violence is all directed against the working class, so it's normal and how the state is supposed to work.
Paul Pelosi is a bad guy who does insider trading. I will say that the hammer attack was funny. It's even funnier when you learn that he was hit in the head with the hammer after the police arrived and were talking with the attacker. The police let the attacker hit Paul Pelosi in the head with a hammer after they arrived. That is very funny.
However, adventurism is not good. Normalizing adventurism is not good. Right wing political violence is not good. As other people in the thread have pointed out, political violence is already normalized, it only a matter of who is doing the violence. The American right wing showing support for the Pelosi attack is only going to normalize right wing terrorism, it will not normalize proletarian violence against their oppressors. The problem is not jokes, the problem is the American right wing is endorsing the attack.
Lenin criticized the assassination of a reactionary autocrat politician as opportunistic and not an action supported by the working class. When the working class is to engage in political violence, the violence must be organized by the working class and grounded by political theory. Lenin tells us that adventurism is an absence of political theory and thus not revolutionary.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1902/sep/01.htm
Yeah, this does nothing to steer libs off the "elect enough Democrats and we'll fix everything" path. All it does is embolden fascists.
I don't get what the big deal is. He just got hammered and hit the road.
