I expect more "artists are just spoiled aristocrats" radioactive takes, but I'm posting this anyway. :this-is-fine:
Soon all artists will be expected to use AI generation as a part of their process. Art will be so devalued that it will be the only way to make enough volume of work to make a living off of it. Resist all you might, but capitalism beat the luddites and it beat the communes and it will beat freelance artists too.
:doomer:
Weird take: the area where it will catch on first is children's book illustrations.
Any hand-wringing about this by consumer advocates or within the publishing industry will be met with the same thought-terminating cliche that anyone who has concerns about the quality of children's media should already be familiar with: "kids can't tell the difference." The devaluation you're talking about will enter an irreversible end-stage once the children raised on AI art are adults.
Nah, children’s illustrations are too stylised. They don’t lend themselves well to AI.
I’d expect AI to be used for more generic stuff first. Stock photos, fantasy/RPG art assets, porn, etc.
There is a lot of super-generic low-effort art happening in the "dollar-store children's books" space right now. The writing isn't much better.
That’s disappointing to hear. The ones I’ve seen recently (albeit at real bookshops) are of decent quality.
Oh yeah, there is a lot of very clever work being done in some quarters, but every time my mother-in-law goes to the dollar store she brings my daughter one of these ten-page-long whatchamacallits with no author listed, and they're always full of borderline-uncanny illustrations and imperfect rhyme. Sorry, this is a hot-button issue for me right now.
And one day Capital will die too. One day Sol will die too, burning out and sweeping away good and evil alike. Empires fall, seas change; to imagine that something as fragile as a hallucinatory human construct will be eternal is just plain vanity.
If we do not wish to die, the best we can do is evolve and leave our deceased yesterdays behind us.
So because Singularity(tm) desires, artists in the present should be screwed over or else the great death-cheating escape hatch potential in the speculative future is forfeit? :what-the-hell:
The folks who think they are "the Singularity" are damn fools. Who represents that group, exactly? Yudowsky trying to promote Alcor's cryogenics tech even though it still doesn't work? Fucking... ELON MUSK?
You know me, you know I abandoned my daydreams of seeing gay luxury space communism in my time. The only path to a bright future now is something humble, something respectful and human. The hollow men trying to use AI and neural nets to capture the future... they ain't it. Innovation which does not respect the sanctity of life and the emotional well-being of everyone is a dead end. Love and cherish your limited corporeal being. Capital will try to take it from you, Capital will tell you that it isn't enough or that you're using it wrong, but that doesn't make Capital any less mortal than you are.
I got whiplash from your reply; I agreed with it 100% yet I thought I disagreed with your previous post. :order-of-lenin:
Haven’t seen Ai models encroaching on the paper-mache vaginas with rusty nails driven through it market yet.
If that's all you think artists do, that's sad.
Haven’t seen Ai models encroaching on the paper-mache vaginas with rusty nails driven through it market yet.
Nor will they. Fine Arts is unassailable because it isn't actually defined as anything. It's not a job, it's a money laundering scheme you get paid for if you catch the attention of the proper people.
What this will destroy is the part of the art world that actually still cared about drawing and painting as skills.
the hatred towards artists and the entitlement towards art that i've seen these past few months has floored me. from both right wingers and "leftists" alike, it's astonishing how little people seem to give a shit about people who know how to paint or draw, and how undervalued those skills are in our society. i was pretty depressed before, but ai art has tapped into a unique level of alienation i didn't know was possible
I was disheartened to see hatred of artists on Hexbear of all places, but for some treat enjoyers, all that matters is that They Got Theirs(tm) and that stolen art assets producing infinite waifus for them go brrrr.
Same. Saw a lot of "I'm not going to pay for commissions anymore", "you are basically the luddites that wants to destory machinary".
Apparently a lot of people think paying 30 bucks for hours of work is too much and artists are making crazy amount of money before this. Like the stereotype of "starving artist" exists for good reason and I doubt people go to art college to make money.
I draw as a hobby and don't make money off of it so I'm largely unaffected, but it still put me off every time I see something like this.
I've seen that "artists are spoiled rich kids" take from people that went to NYC or LA and decided the bougie art scenes there were representative of artists as a whole. I've seen people that were dirt poor but took time out of their day to create works. Whether it was writing, painting, filmmaking, etc. These people had an itch that needed to be scratched and they were going to do it whether they made money off of it or not.
Artists are just spoiled aristocrats and I’m tired of pretending they aren’t. Every time I go to my local portraitist to commission a headshot they’re always so sassy. “Oh the fourth this week Theodore??” they say like I haven’t told them that I prefer to go by Tedasamus, my grandfather’s uncle’s name. Disgusting! They should all be chained to radiators for all I care. Ta ta I say, ta ta!
Artists are rather weird wizards I don't like cuz i'm bad at every art I tried :angery:
Similar angst is out there against teachers. I even see that shit on Hexbear because Mrs. Meanface gave them a hard time in 9th grade or whatever.
There is a very real power inbalance between teachers and students, that is a real problem that exists. I have seen teachers bully students they didn't like, several times. The students often changed school, the teachers always stayed and still do.
Edit: I should read "pedagogy of the opressed", I have the experience, but an actual analysis is important.
Hierarchies in self-serving cultures will always produce the most horrific interactions between individuals.
It's one of the earliest things that radicalized me, seeing my friends being devalued for their grades (which are a bullshit concept) and the powerlessnes towards teachers. Where I was, you were in a very real sense not a full human being inside the classroom.
Our class actually managed to do succesfull collective action against the school admin, which was great, but we couldn't do anything about the bullying teacher. I met up with some a few years back and we all have the same anxieties.
I don't really disagree with you there.
The "fuck teachers in general, treat them like babysitters and pay them accordingly" angle is what I am against.
We had 3 separate occasions where a teacher was fired for sexual misconduct with students throughout my 4 years of high school
Apparently the art you do is surely vague and grotesque portrayals of genitalia and is thusly both overpriced and worthy of contempt, according to some here. :doomer:
If someone says that to you just come find me and I will hit them with a broom until they apologize.
Some people honestly deserve to just break rocks in Siberia all day and go home by themselves and not think about culture or society :eric-andre:
I remember some time back deviant art was on the spotlight for having some clause saying they owned everything you posted on there, I'm assuming this is just steming from that. DeviantArt gets to use anything you posted in thier ai generated art thing because they now own it.
It's only going to get worse as techbros keep training ai models on individual living artists' bodies of work and releasing them to the public every single day :deeper-sadness:
Since you replied while I was editing, I wanted you to know you're my comrade. I left that out in my first version of my comment, and it was neglectful
This is more "automation of a sector by brainjacking the workers and digitizing their souls in eternal torment" discourse.
The bad take machine was definitely cranked up on that post last night.
The bad art take machine was going brrr weeks ago and it hasn't really stopped. :sadness:
I like how DA said they allow artists to opt out now, except they left a bunch of loopholes that let them steal the art anyways.
So, If I can understand the argument; it's that AI generates art which is lower quality, and isn't necessarily apparent to normal audiences, but it's cost and speed of creation will displace existing artists leading to an a decrease in quality. The decline of traditional artists will break a chain of skill and technique built up over generations, and will be difficult or impossible to ever restore. The AI separates the artwork from the direct human artistic intent artists previously had by default on their work, and this poor quality persists even when human artists manually retouch AI creations, or they start with an Original sketch and use an AI to iterate on it, or both. Additionally, AI is more susceptible to blindly copying and reinforcing trends and biases based on marketability, number previous works, and avoiding controversy, that a human artist would naturally be skeptical of and has an easier time bucking or working consciously around.
Before I start critiquing, Is this an accurate summary of the breadth of AI opponent thought?
My concern is for artists getting fucked over and for chances at expressing creativity being further crushed under capitalist pressures with technology that would be good in a more just world but is being used to further forcibly turn all human endeavor into making the rich richer with no room for competing pursuits.
I got a bad feeling about the tone and intent of the "start critiquing" part, so I politely decline to engage there.
Yes.
Even if that wasn't the case, why would fetish stuff disqualify artists from being paid fairly for their labor?
There were some sus replies in this thread already, so I missed the joke. My bad.
You're forgetting about the regular vanilla flavor of weebs who draw their self inserts dating Sasuke Uchiha or whatever it is the kids are watching these days.
