Fr tho: Even if the Dems kept the House, they would've just trotted out Manchin or Sinema like they always do so they don't actually have to do anything they promised.
That’s just cope. Biden was gonna put forth an abortion bill and Manchin and Sinema (who’re in the Senate btw not the House) would’ve done jack shit against it.
That’s just cope. Biden was gonna put forth an abortion bill and Manchin and Sinema (who’re in the Senate btw not the House) would’ve done jack shit against it.
I know he could’ve pushed for the bill before, or even now, but that doesn’t excuse not voting for the Dems. The otherside are literal fascists. Just see what bills they’re passing in Florida and Texas and stuff. The mere fact that the Dems wouldn’t pass anti-gay, anti-trans and anti-abortion bills is enough reason to vote for them.
I disagree with not voting for harm reduction, but viewing it as a primarily individual failing is liberal bullshit. Systemic problems exist for systemic reasons.
Yeah systemic solutions are definitely needed. But in this case the Reps won the House with less than 1% votes in these districts. At this stage, your individual votes definitely matter!!! That’s the point of the post!
No, youre being ridiculous, and I am taking your argument at face value instead of arguing with what I think you're trying to articulate so you can understand why what you're saying is wrong and modify it to not be ridiculous.
Oh do you do get what I’m saying and just not want to engage with it. The fact that voting matters especially when it comes to these tight races that can make the different between capitalism and fascism and the ideology of not voting because “both sides bad” hurts our progressive cause and hurts the people we’re trying to protect.
No. I dont understand what youre trying to say. I can at most guess. Which is why I'm pointing out what youre actually saying is gobblyremoved and asking you to articulate your actual thoughts in a coherent way.
Maybe you should do some introspection on what your thoughts are here then. Writing things out can be helpful to organize and develop them for a lot of people
:biden-forgor: oh shoot he just forgot to accomplish the entire 2020 democratic platform. We just gotta give him ONE MORE CHANCE, it'll be different this time, they super duper swear and pinky promise.
The Dems being shit is no excuse to not vote for them, when, as I’ve said, the opponents are literally fascists. The Dems can be as useless and neoliberal shills as possible, but they’re not the ones taking away trans and gay and women’s rights.
I doubt they would have passed meaningful abortion legislation even if they kept the House. As someone else pointed out, they already have the House and still haven't done it. Why was that not all they were focused on since the Supreme Court decision was leaked?
That said, it's easier to criticize electoral politics when you vote (so libs can't turn the conversation around and blame you) and when Democrats are in power but ineffective. For someone real invested in voting, radicalization happens when they win but don't get the result they wanted.
Exactly! I was turned when I wanted Sanders and the Clintons and the Dem establishment literally fucked him over (while the Republicans let Trump win because the capitalists knew he wasn’t gonna do shit against them).
No. :gigachad:
Fr tho: Even if the Dems kept the House, they would've just trotted out Manchin or Sinema like they always do so they don't actually have to do anything they promised.
That’s just cope. Biden was gonna put forth an abortion bill and Manchin and Sinema (who’re in the Senate btw not the House) would’ve done jack shit against it.
Why didn't he do that before the midterms?
I don’t know. But he said he would if we win.
Yes you do.
I know he could’ve pushed for the bill before, or even now, but that doesn’t excuse not voting for the Dems. The otherside are literal fascists. Just see what bills they’re passing in Florida and Texas and stuff. The mere fact that the Dems wouldn’t pass anti-gay, anti-trans and anti-abortion bills is enough reason to vote for them.
I disagree with not voting for harm reduction, but viewing it as a primarily individual failing is liberal bullshit. Systemic problems exist for systemic reasons.
Yeah systemic solutions are definitely needed. But in this case the Reps won the House with less than 1% votes in these districts. At this stage, your individual votes definitely matter!!! That’s the point of the post!
Lmao, no they don't. Less than one percent doesn't mean my vote mattered.
Wdym!????? Of course that’s what it means!!!
Oh, did my one vote stop them from winning by less than a percent?
Cmon. Your being ridiculous.
No, youre being ridiculous, and I am taking your argument at face value instead of arguing with what I think you're trying to articulate so you can understand why what you're saying is wrong and modify it to not be ridiculous.
Oh do you do get what I’m saying and just not want to engage with it. The fact that voting matters especially when it comes to these tight races that can make the different between capitalism and fascism and the ideology of not voting because “both sides bad” hurts our progressive cause and hurts the people we’re trying to protect.
No. I dont understand what youre trying to say. I can at most guess. Which is why I'm pointing out what youre actually saying is gobblyremoved and asking you to articulate your actual thoughts in a coherent way.
I don’t know what else I can say.
Maybe you should do some introspection on what your thoughts are here then. Writing things out can be helpful to organize and develop them for a lot of people
lmao
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:biden-forgor: oh shoot he just forgot to accomplish the entire 2020 democratic platform. We just gotta give him ONE MORE CHANCE, it'll be different this time, they super duper swear and pinky promise.
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This is cope
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holy shit just listen to yourself
With the Dems, there's always an excuse.
They would've found their House versions of those 2, as many as they needed.
If the Dems actually cared about these things, they would've codified them a long time ago and not waited until after Roe was overturned.
The Dems being shit is no excuse to not vote for them, when, as I’ve said, the opponents are literally fascists. The Dems can be as useless and neoliberal shills as possible, but they’re not the ones taking away trans and gay and women’s rights.
This is just the "lesser of 2 evils" argument, one everyone here is already thoroughly familiar with, and either doesn't agree with it or does.
Odds are, no one here's minds are gonna be changed either way at this point, especially not with condescending "grow up" language.
The Soviet Union allied with the US and the UK because they were the lesser evil compared to the Nazis.
Okay but the US and UK were actually contributing to beating the Nazis
Yeah it’s not a perfect analogy.
It isnt a good analogy at all. The equivalent would be the USSR allying with people who claimed to oppose nazi-ism while arming the freikorps
You mean like the UK did with Finland under Chamberlain
I guess that does seem more appropriate.
in your other post you identified the GOP as literal fascists (yes). who are the Dems analogous to in this comparison?
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on what possible basis are you making that claim. Biden litterally had the house and the senate and didn't do this.
I doubt they would have passed meaningful abortion legislation even if they kept the House. As someone else pointed out, they already have the House and still haven't done it. Why was that not all they were focused on since the Supreme Court decision was leaked?
That said, it's easier to criticize electoral politics when you vote (so libs can't turn the conversation around and blame you) and when Democrats are in power but ineffective. For someone real invested in voting, radicalization happens when they win but don't get the result they wanted.
Exactly! I was turned when I wanted Sanders and the Clintons and the Dem establishment literally fucked him over (while the Republicans let Trump win because the capitalists knew he wasn’t gonna do shit against them).