• thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
    hexbear
    111
    2 months ago

    Best part of this is that Russians have three names (a first name, surname, and a patronymic) and they love using nicknames. So the main character is Rodion (first name) Romanovitch (patronymic) Raskolnikov (surname), but can (and is) called by any of those three names. He's also got nicknames like Rodya, Rodenka, and Rodka. So this deranged individual (who decided to call Raskolnikov "Pete" I guess) is going to be hopelessly confused when somebody starts referring to Rodya, and he'll think the book is filled with like five times as many characters as it actually is.

    • QueerCommie [comrade/them, she/her]
      hexbear
      35
      2 months ago

      I’m reading What is to be Done? And idk what book this is, but I imagine it would be pretty hard to replace names like that.

    • LibsEatPoop [any]
      hexbear
      34
      2 months ago

      YES. When I studied Rus Lit my prof dedicated a whole lecture to this! With slides! I honestly love this part of Russian literature, it gives it so much character, and anyone who complains about it doesn’t deserve to read it.

      • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
        hexbear
        30
        2 months ago

        But that's kind of the rub; it's never actually confusing. In context of the story it's very clear when somebody is addressing Raskolnikov, even if they're using a nickname or a name you're not entirely familiar with. It's like when you hear somebody has a nickname in real life. You might not know why they have that nickname, but you know that nickname is theirs.

        • DyingOfDeBordom [none/use name]
          hexbear
          14
          edit-2
          2 months ago

          I read the book, unless you're already familiar with Russian naming conventions you're going to go "wait who the fuck are they talking about" over and over, and if you're not familiar with Russian naming conventions and claim otherwise you're simply lying to me

          also it's not just Raskolnikov

          • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
            hexbear
            15
            2 months ago

            I don't know what to tell you, I too read the book and had no such issues. I thought it was very clear when they're talking about Raskolnikov or his sister or the inspector or the landlady or anybody, and I don't speak any Russian. You just had to trust things would become clear in time with context.

            • Vampire [any]
              hexbear
              10
              2 months ago

              You have a point in that the characters are very vivid and distinct/individual

              but I think it's fair to say most people will experience at least mild confusion a few times with the cast of characters

          • DerEwigeAtheist [she/her, comrade/them]
            hexbear
            8
            edit-2
            2 months ago

            It is not that difficult, because there are contexts to each use, and they are consistent between characters as well. It is not always easy as well, but if you have the attention span to read Dosteyevski, you have it to remember some naming conventions as well.

  • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]
    hexbear
    48
    2 months ago

    If your cracker ass can remember hundreds of pokemon names for the duration of a game, you can remember a dozen russian names for the duration of a book

    • JohnBrownNote [comrade/them, des/pair]
      hexbear
      41
      2 months ago

      he could probably remember the names if there was a picture next to them most of the time.

      i love casual ableism as much as the next guy but i have to flip to the dramatis personae sometimes even when the character names are anglo

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
      hexbear
      28
      2 months ago

      Cursed monkey paw: "Damn, I can believe that Squirtle's brother got arrested by Tsar Lapris's secret police for spreading the seditious works of Koffing."

    • Vampire [any]
      hexbear
      18
      2 months ago

      a dozen

      There's probably over 100 characters in it tho, maybe 200

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
    hexbear
    37
    2 months ago

    huh. I mean, I have made charts to try to keep track of families and shit in byzantine politics novels, but, uh... huh.

  • Llituro [he/him, they/them]
    hexbear
    29
    2 months ago

    when this is done by the author to obfuscate a fictional portrayal of real people, it's called a roman a clef https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_%C3%A0_clef

    • @tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      hexbear
      20
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      For anyone that doesn't want to click but likes words, it's French for 'novel with a key', as in if you know the key you can understand the underlying allegory.

  • @frosty99c@midwest.social
    hexbear
    27
    2 months ago

    I'd love to see what he does with 100 years of solitude. There are only like 4 names for 15 different characters

  • Infamousblt [any]
    hexbear
    26
    2 months ago

    If you don't give the characters racist caricature like names how can I keep them straight?

  • Vampire [any]
    hexbear
    24
    2 months ago

    I keep a digital copy on the side and Ctrl+F the character's name so I can get a refresher on them when I'm reading Dostoevsky.

    Part of the problem is the 3 names as the other commenter said, and part of it is that the style of book has 100s of characters, much like a soap opera.

  • SpiderFarmer [he/him]
    hexbear
    23
    edit-2
    2 months ago

    Crime and Punishment is my second favorite book. That said, I was confused when Raskolnikov's friend's name was randomly switched up. That's when I learned that Russians and Latinos share the having four or five names thing in common. Absolutely based tradition, though I'm surprised I remember my own name sometimes.

    It's also not best advised to read that book when you're a college-aged boy short on cash. Or maybe it is...

  • plinky [he/him]
    hexbear
    23
    2 months ago

    Doing rowling naming conventions:

    Axe Mcprison-ov

    Mona E. Lander-ov

    Norm Horseaccident-ov

    Fbi Copper-ov

  • Adkml [he/him]
    hexbear
    21
    2 months ago

    Liberals when the black guy isn't named "Kingsley Shacklebolt"

    Also, I didn't make that shit up.

    • Egon [they/them]
      hexbear
      4
      2 months ago

      Cho Chang and Privy Patel Asian representation yay

  • @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
    hexbear
    19
    2 months ago

    Roger Raskolnikov just Roger lmao.

    It's like a fucking mirror universe, i stopped reading the first book of their favorite series in half because i couldn't stand how absolutely idiotic the name convention was there.

  • Des [she/her, they/them]
    hexbear
    17
    2 months ago

    maybe like highlight the names with different colors or something until you get used to them

  • AutoVomBizMarkee [he/him]
    hexbear
    17
    2 months ago

    Recently read A Fire Upon the Deep were half the story takes place on a planet with dog like group mind beings whose names are the combination of every member and if members die and they get a new member the name changes to include the new member, but they also use nicknames for the group beings whenever they feel like it. This person would have a great time with that book. Also book was eh but fun.

    • Krem [he/him]
      hexbear
      10
      2 months ago

      also there were intelligent flowers that zoomed around in little gokarts and waved their leaves to talk

      maybe the first book to envision racist shitposting leading to genocide

      • @Sons_of_Ferrix
        hexbear
        7
        2 months ago

        Also racist butterfly people.

        Also I just learned the author just died a month ago. Think he was some kind of AnCap, but was pretty good at writing weird SciFi tho.

      • AutoVomBizMarkee [he/him]
        hexbear
        7
        2 months ago

        Oh yea they were fun to picture in my head. And yea the intergalactic genocidal shit posts were really something to enjoy reading in 2024.