People are smoking and getting cancer worldwide, there might not be a reason to highlight specifically Cuba. But anyone doing it with some regularity is at risk
Exactly. It's not like I'm saying that people do not have a fucked up relationship with stimulants under capitalism.
I'm saying that people are unlikely to give up on stimulants any time soon, so liberal regimes banning that shit will lead to nothing but average people having an even worse life.
You can eat or vaporize marijuana, you cannot enjoyably eat or vaporize cigarettes, which also have a bunch of extra shit in them, and which have a significantly higher cancer risk vs marijuana
Rare case of not even reading the title of the post I guess
The criminals are the people selling the cigarettes, not the people smoking them. They're going after the capitalist predators who make their living on peddling deadly addiction. Good.
Liberal state creates a law trying to prevent another generation of children from poisoning themselves and those around them, and finally tackling a culture manufactured by tabacco companies where poisoning yourself is seen as "cool" by children?
Yes, this is unironically, without a doubt good and should be supported by everyone, especially because no one is taking any adult smokers' treats away
So are you ready to admit you half-skimmed the title, made up in your head that it said "smokers born after 2008 to be thrown in prison" and then got outraged over that made up headline? Because your comments are only growing more obviously indefensible
The tobacco companies aren’t going to be held accountable
The article says that they expect 90% of the country's tobacco retailers to have lost their licenses by the end of next year (which is the explicit goal of this and related laws, as part of an effort to reduce the hold tobacco companies have on their country and people)
Where in the world are you getting the idea that those most affected will not be the companies specifically targeted, but will instead be some hypothetical asshole poisoning his neighborhood's kids? By the way, why would I be sad if that hypothetical asshole were negatively impacted anyway? Hope the fucker hypothetically dies of disease related to secondhand smoke.
I need you to know that the controversiality is not from "simply" saying that people should be allowed a cig, but from making a false equivalency between cigarettes, a product that contains 20 different carcinogenic substances and, if you are a smoker, lowers your life expectancy on average by 6.5 years, and coffee, a product that hasn't been shown to have any effect on life expectancy. This is not people being inconsistent because they think drugs are bad and therefore want to ban the bad drug, but oh, have never considered banning their sweet, sweet personal drug. It's people wanting to ban the thing that overall shortens your life, for the same reason that, if it were legal, they would ban consumption of asbestos. Cigarettes being a drug is only incidental to this.
They're not?
They're both addictive.
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How?
You cannot be serious
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This not bait, people have been smoking stuff since the beginning of time.
Will alcohol be banned under communism too? Because iTS bAd?
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In my country alcohol is already heavily regulated, and it is illegal to advertise it.
There are no "corner stores" where you can buy anything heavier than 5% beer.
That's different than a full ban though.
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You in eastern europe?
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I'm okay with a few session beers with dinner.
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But would not people have a different relationship to alcohol under communism than under capitalism?
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People are smoking and getting cancer worldwide, there might not be a reason to highlight specifically Cuba. But anyone doing it with some regularity is at risk
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Oh true!!
Exactly. It's not like I'm saying that people do not have a fucked up relationship with stimulants under capitalism.
I'm saying that people are unlikely to give up on stimulants any time soon, so liberal regimes banning that shit will lead to nothing but average people having an even worse life.
Is that what we want?
Only way to live.
Number and potency of carcinogens, for starters
you could make that same argument for coffee vs marijuana though smoking shit makes carcinogens thanks incomplete combustion
You can eat or vaporize marijuana, you cannot enjoyably eat or vaporize cigarettes, which also have a bunch of extra shit in them, and which have a significantly higher cancer risk vs marijuana
i like smoking it
:fidel-si:
Have you heard about snus?
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I never said that it was. What I'm saying is that if people should be allowed to enjoy caffeine, they should also be allowed to enjoy nicotine.
We're not talking heroin here.
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Well then I have no idea why we're having an argument here.
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Yeah, it's about as ridiculous as banning nicotine.
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That's my point tho.
People here are celebrating libs banning cigs.
Fuck that, I'm rolling one lol
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Absolute stupid take.
The health issues and deaths caused by smoking are beyond doubt.
Caffeine might be addictive but its not harmful
People smoking cigs is like the last thing we need to worry about.
It really isn't.
Its a real and actual health issue that kills and disables thousands of people in New Zealand every year.
If someone in NZ who were born before 2008 are caught buying cigs, what will happen to them?
:gulag:
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Caffeine is useful for what?
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The liberal New Zealand dictatorship is though, and people here are celebrating it.
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So ten years from now those 14yo will be 24.
Why should they not be allowed to smoke tobacco then? But they can do caffeine and sugar?
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You should tell that to oil companies, car manufacturers, coal plants, and what not.
Rather than some powerless prole having a cig after finishing their shift in the hell-factory.
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You can grow tobacco in your kitchen window.
Try growing a car.
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I love how the most controversial thing I ever did on this site was simply saying that people should be allowed to have a cig
It's kind of depressing how so many people on here are just completely decoupled from real life.
But I suppose that's what happens when you're born and raised in Amerikkka
14 year old children should not actually be allowed to have a cig, you are the one decoupled from real life
And then that 14 year old gets a criminal record for having a smoke.
I'm not fucking saying that I'm ok with children smoking.
Then what are you outraged about, there are no adults born after 2008
And those 14 year olds who will inevitably start smoking could end up with a criminal record if/when they are caught by the coppers.
But that's a good thing now I suppose? We're now in favor of our bougie dictatorships making kids criminals for literally nothing?
Come the fuck on.
Rare case of not even reading the title of the post I guess
The criminals are the people selling the cigarettes, not the people smoking them. They're going after the capitalist predators who make their living on peddling deadly addiction. Good.
So you think NZ cops will stop harrassing kids who smoke?
Do you think that cracking down on tobacco peddlers in any way affects the frequency with which cops harass teenagers unrelated to this change?
Why?
Liberal state makes more laws.
We communists should support this.
Liberal state creates a law trying to prevent another generation of children from poisoning themselves and those around them, and finally tackling a culture manufactured by tabacco companies where poisoning yourself is seen as "cool" by children?
Yes, this is unironically, without a doubt good and should be supported by everyone, especially because no one is taking any adult smokers' treats away
The guy selling a 20 to a teenager is definitely the "capitalist" we need to focus on.
Why are you in favor of people being poisoned for profit? Do you take a similarly positive view of casino owners?
I'm in favor of not supporting liberal states and whatever it is they do
So are you ready to admit you half-skimmed the title, made up in your head that it said "smokers born after 2008 to be thrown in prison" and then got outraged over that made up headline? Because your comments are only growing more obviously indefensible
I have no problem admitting that. But that changes nothing.
Who are the people who will be arrested for selling cigs to kids? They're hardly going to be the NZ Elon Musk, are they?
The tobacco companies aren't going to be held accountable, it's going to be the 20 year old lumpen who sells singles to teens.
The article says that they expect 90% of the country's tobacco retailers to have lost their licenses by the end of next year (which is the explicit goal of this and related laws, as part of an effort to reduce the hold tobacco companies have on their country and people)
Where in the world are you getting the idea that those most affected will not be the companies specifically targeted, but will instead be some hypothetical asshole poisoning his neighborhood's kids? By the way, why would I be sad if that hypothetical asshole were negatively impacted anyway? Hope the fucker hypothetically dies of disease related to secondhand smoke.
I need you to know that the controversiality is not from "simply" saying that people should be allowed a cig, but from making a false equivalency between cigarettes, a product that contains 20 different carcinogenic substances and, if you are a smoker, lowers your life expectancy on average by 6.5 years, and coffee, a product that hasn't been shown to have any effect on life expectancy. This is not people being inconsistent because they think drugs are bad and therefore want to ban the bad drug, but oh, have never considered banning their sweet, sweet personal drug. It's people wanting to ban the thing that overall shortens your life, for the same reason that, if it were legal, they would ban consumption of asbestos. Cigarettes being a drug is only incidental to this.
That is absolutely not what I'm saying, but you already knew that
you're right, we should ban sugar
Focussing with ADHD I think
As someone with ADD, cigs do that for me