Also, literally who cares. This isn't politics. Zoomers and millenials are very left-wing and that hasn't changer significantly in recent years. This isn't happening at scales that are shifting the political landscape. Idk why there is an obsession with this shit.
I practically make the same comment every time this comes up so I'm gonna be lazy and copy paste it this time:
I have said repeatedly that there is much need in the left for a healthy version of machismo (as Che would have put it) to return. One that acts as a role model for men while also not carrying patriarchal or anti-lgbt attitudes. What we seem to lack however are examples to elevate as these machismo leftist role models, besides :gigachad: that is.
Such role models would then work on a healthy leftist masculinity, undercutting the right-influencer manosphere influencers with a healthy leftist equivalent.
What’s needed is a set of leftists who do “machismo” alongside a focus on what the alienated crowd of young men/boys care about to compete with and undercut the manosphere. Generally I think of this as a sort of leftist ladbible style of influencer group, where the main focus is a “dudes rock” sort of thing with leftism being incidentally injected wherever necessary and manosphere influencers being heavily denounced but not to a point of whiny internet drama because that wouldn’t be machismo and anyone with real machismo ought to be well above that kind of shit and it screams insecurity. The balance that’s required is pretty delicate.
Providing nothing to these young boys just allows the far right to groom a bunch of them into fascists.
What does healthy masculinity mean? If there’s a trait that is healthy and good, then everyone should strive for that trait. What does it have to do with masculinity? I don’t understand how there can be a healthy masculinity or femininity. Positive characteristics aren’t masculine or feminine. All good characteristics are gender-neutral.
Ultimately it's just about gendered content targeted at young boys that counters mysogyny rather than being laden with it.
Right now the far right are using people like Andrew Tate, a champion kickboxer that young boys quickly look up to as a "winner" for being big strong and being able to beat others. They're 10-16year old impressionable young boys, sometimes even younger.
In the past the left had titans like Muhammad Ali as left wing male role models .
What is masculinity without toxicity? I think people on Hexbear show us regularly with the various "dudes rock" posts. It's just man-focused content like ladbible stuff, but would be interspersed with educational content about respecting women instead of abusing women.
Vaush is already demonstrating that this is not what he intends to do. He is literally just going to become a typical misogynyst but wearing fake left aesthetics as he has always done, he just wants to get in on the grift. But this doesn't mean that there shouldn't be a REAL left wing effort in this arena.
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He won two ISKA world kickboxing titles and was ranked second in the world in his weight class at peak.
I think you are probably talking about his MMA record? Which is not kickboxing.
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i don't think there's anything uniquely masc besides aesthetics and roles... to any gender for that matter. I rejected what society prescribed for me and there was nothing left. I'd be an abolitionist if other people didn't experience gender euphoria.
I'm fine with that idea, but for these young boys that's not really an option until society changes. Failure to compete is just giving these boys to the fascists to educate in any way they see fit.
of course. i just don't see how we can simultaneously reinforce patriarchal norms and adequately support and protect queer kids, especially because gender stuff is so ephemeral.
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when you do that what's left of gender? medical research seems like some (most?) people have a brain process that makes them feel something we came to call "gender" but it's internal and only accessible to others if we use expectations and norms to signal conformity or we directly state "i'm a man/woman/both/somwhere in the middle/somwhere outside/whatever the heck xenogenders are/none".
If we want to make good dudes the normative expression of masculinity that's... fine but like, everybody should try to be like Mr Rogers regardless of gender so I don't understand the point of the division.
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Christ I didn't say Ali was positive masculinity I said he was a role model that the left used to have.
It is fucking impossible to have a fair conversation about this if you do not actually listen to what other people have to say, and instead keep mixing together different stuff. If you keep ignoring the qualifying parts where people say specifically that they don't want it to be like past instances of machismo then of course it sounds bad.
Yeah great but the COMPLETE ABSENCE of anything at all just makes this a playground for fascists to groom recruits. You can not convince me that no left wing attempt to provide positive male figures to children that are seeking them out is better than having SOMETHING even if it ends up being imperfect when the alternative is just letting fascists provide an education in pure and unadulterated mysogyny to these children.
This isn't about men, it's about impressionable young boys during hormonal years who are extremely easy for fascists to groom . You are not listening.
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they're a bit late but i'm glad the kerryposters have rung in the new year for us