The trees are stealing our water! :matt-jokerfied:

  • old_goat [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Critics of the forest thinning proposal say it is not the answer.

    Is this how you end an article these days? Where's the counterpoint?

    • VapeNoir [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Write this fun sentence at the end of any article for instant impartiality!

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      They only need to both-sides it when it's an article on environmentalism.

  • save_vs_death [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    He emphasized that the problem is not too many trees, but the wrong kind of trees.

    Yeah i'm sure "tree thinning" which is just a lib way of saying "deforesting" is a great guarantor of forest diversity, actually

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    1 year ago

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  • FnordPrefect [comrade/them, he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Conifers can grow a foot a year. Pictures from the turn of the century show 10 to 20 trees per acre and now there are "upwards of 100 to 200 trees"

    Is there any way to estimate the mass of CO2 that this represents?

    Also, "turn of the century" (assuming he means 1900 even though we're 1/4 of the way into a new century...) is so long ago it must represent the primeval state of how the forests should be, right? Oh wait, what's this?

    This form of timber regulation worked well during the initial stages of colonization when the emphasis was on subsistence and property rights were not well established. But, by the time communities were established, stewardship gave way to free enterprise as many settlers took advantage of timber resources for a profit, despite efforts to control resource utilization by Mormon leaders. By the 1880's, timber resources along the Wasatch Front had been reduced to the point that timber was being brought in from the Sierra Nevadas and Chicago

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      In the 1800s, America basically did to its own old growth forests what Bolsonaro wanted to do to the Amazon. There's a handful of Very Old Trees left in California, because they were saved by the nascent environmentalist movement after 90% of the 1,000+ year old trees were all cut down.

  • Juiceyb [any]
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    2 years ago

    I hate to say it but he’s not half wrong. There are some trees that are problematic but they aren’t going to be naturally growing in the forrest. They are being cared and watered for in golf courses and people’s land. But these trees are “private property” therefore have more of a reason to exist even though they are invasive. The Native Americans have been right once more and it’s evident that white people don’t know what they are doing.

    • SaniFlush [any, any]
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      2 years ago

      The British continue to fuck everyone else over for profit, albeit under a different flag.

  • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Yes remove the trees, fhey'll just help filter toxic dust from the remnants of the salt lake

  • ssjmarx [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Pictures from the turn of the century show 10 to 20 trees per acre and now there are "upwards of 100 to 200 trees,"

    The turn of the century was notably a period of incredible environmental devastation. People would literally form small stock companies for the purposes of chopping down thousand year old trees and splitting the profits from them, and to add insult to injury the stumps were used for outdoor dance parties. In most of America the oldest trees you can find are ones that were planted as decorations in cemeteries, reason being that every single wild tree in the area around them was felled. In the western half of the country old growth forests were something of a gold rush, inspiring massive logging operations that did untold damage to the environment and was only stopped by the creation of the environmentalist movement to oppose it, though by that point most of the damage was done.

    • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      We really are living in the post-apocalyptic wasteland left over after we massacred the indigenous nations. holy shit. :deeper-sadness:

    • barrbaric [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I'd just carry out mass executions and save us all some time.