Also what you are saying could also be said for any guerilla war ever. Including some rando who barricades himself at his own house which he declares an autonomous zone while shooting at cops from the balcony, or some larpers pissing off to some swamp and surviving on berries. These are the main ways "guerilla warfare" could come about in the US right now. Dude, trust me, this shit has happened again many times in Europe. There are many groups here who think they are guerrillas (or used to before they were caught) and they never achieved shit, many of them in countries much further from a police state than the US is, and with the left having far more legitimacy. I wish American leftists stopped being so impatient and instead focused on not creeping the fuck out of potential allies with guerilla larping and edginess.
I'm not saying guerilla war is good for anyone, and I'm not saying the left should be seriously considering it. What I'm saying is that literally every significant guerilla war has started with someone saying "this will be taken care of in a month."
There are many groups here who think they are guerrillas (or used to before they were caught) and they never achieved shit, many of them in countries much further from a police state than the US is, and with the left having far more legitimacy.
You're right, but it's silly to take this to the extreme of "guerilla war can't work." It's ahistorical.
I think what you are not considering is the legions of chuds who have been wanking to Glenn Beck for a decade and have rifles and go bags all set up. The right has the full backing of the most extensive military on earth and a few hundred thousand “patriots” who will literally fight to the death to protect the status quo. We are outnumbered, outgunned, and cannot participate in asymmetrical warfare, because we are outnumbered there too. It’s not like Vietnam where a formal army is fighting guerillas 1000 miles away. It’s a formal army, guerillas, an elaborate spying network, the CIA, and a police state against 10,000 of us with guns we bought at the local sporting goods place. It is absolutely a pipe dream. Decades of propaganda have convinced generations of Americans that leftists are the second coming of the Nazis and they oppose us as hard as we do fascists.
I’m not saying guerilla war is good for anyone, and I’m not saying the left should be seriously considering it. What I’m saying is that literally every significant guerilla war has started with someone saying “this will be taken care of in a month.”
And this part:
a few hundred thousand “patriots” who will literally fight to the death to protect the status quo
Is an enormous exaggeration, even if there's a grain of truth. You're confusing the willingness to harm others (mostly indirectly) with a willingness to die for something. It's really easy to find people willing to pick on someone who won't fight back; it's a lot harder when there's even the possibility of significant resistance.
I didn't say "guerilla war can't work". I said no kind of guerilla work that could work is anywhere close to the reality of the US today, and that I wish American leftists focused on more practical things and stopped fantasising about stuff only ends up creeping people out.
Why do you think you HAVE to talk about war? Is a civil war happening? Is a civil war going to happen any time soon? Maybe you think so, in which case you have a very poor analysis of the situation. But if you think there won't be anything like that, then why do you feel like you ABSOLUTELY MUST talk about it? War doesn't just upset the libs, it upsets everyone who understands what war is.
I mean this has been said about literally every guerilla war ever.
No.
Also what you are saying could also be said for any guerilla war ever. Including some rando who barricades himself at his own house which he declares an autonomous zone while shooting at cops from the balcony, or some larpers pissing off to some swamp and surviving on berries. These are the main ways "guerilla warfare" could come about in the US right now. Dude, trust me, this shit has happened again many times in Europe. There are many groups here who think they are guerrillas (or used to before they were caught) and they never achieved shit, many of them in countries much further from a police state than the US is, and with the left having far more legitimacy. I wish American leftists stopped being so impatient and instead focused on not creeping the fuck out of potential allies with guerilla larping and edginess.
I'm not saying guerilla war is good for anyone, and I'm not saying the left should be seriously considering it. What I'm saying is that literally every significant guerilla war has started with someone saying "this will be taken care of in a month."
You're right, but it's silly to take this to the extreme of "guerilla war can't work." It's ahistorical.
I think what you are not considering is the legions of chuds who have been wanking to Glenn Beck for a decade and have rifles and go bags all set up. The right has the full backing of the most extensive military on earth and a few hundred thousand “patriots” who will literally fight to the death to protect the status quo. We are outnumbered, outgunned, and cannot participate in asymmetrical warfare, because we are outnumbered there too. It’s not like Vietnam where a formal army is fighting guerillas 1000 miles away. It’s a formal army, guerillas, an elaborate spying network, the CIA, and a police state against 10,000 of us with guns we bought at the local sporting goods place. It is absolutely a pipe dream. Decades of propaganda have convinced generations of Americans that leftists are the second coming of the Nazis and they oppose us as hard as we do fascists.
And this part:
Is an enormous exaggeration, even if there's a grain of truth. You're confusing the willingness to harm others (mostly indirectly) with a willingness to die for something. It's really easy to find people willing to pick on someone who won't fight back; it's a lot harder when there's even the possibility of significant resistance.
I didn't say "guerilla war can't work". I said no kind of guerilla work that could work is anywhere close to the reality of the US today, and that I wish American leftists focused on more practical things and stopped fantasising about stuff only ends up creeping people out.
"Guys, stop talking about war - it upsets the libs."
"The slavers and wealthy northern industrialists should've just voted their way to solving their irreconcilable contradictions of capital"
-Libs
Oh I see, it's epic brain time. Yes that's exactly what I said, good job.
Why do you think you HAVE to talk about war? Is a civil war happening? Is a civil war going to happen any time soon? Maybe you think so, in which case you have a very poor analysis of the situation. But if you think there won't be anything like that, then why do you feel like you ABSOLUTELY MUST talk about it? War doesn't just upset the libs, it upsets everyone who understands what war is.
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What?
Chapo Chat is not dirtbag leftist, it's milquetoast centrist at best.