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LMAO that was my post and genuinely I had no idea it would go like that. I thought it would be a piece of insight most people didn’t have.
Me, somebody who has studied buffalo for almost my entire life and career: “If you kill a Buffalo, this is what will happen: it will die. This sentence describes the impact of a dead buffalo. Buffalo are endangered and easier to kill than you may realize, so be careful!“
The response: “Some Native Americans’ material conditions absolutely required that they kill buffalo, so I get to do it for fun, for some reason”
Like… be so serious right now and just tell me you like stacking rocks. I’m literally a geologist, I get the appeal so much more than you realize lol. The presentation of facts were obviously not intended as a personal attack on anybody, but it’s telling that some people invoked the victims of literal genocide, whose land they occupy currently, to defend their objectively harmful actions to the commons, especially over a matter so small in scale and easy to not do. :thinking-about-it:
I knew it was going to get someone bigmad because every time there's a thread on :reddit-logo: about not stacking rocks a ton of redditors get bigmad that someone is telling them not to do something that they want to do if they ever left their desk, and, like it or not, we've got a lot of redditors here who get mad when you tell them to wash their anus periodically.
People are still getting big mad about it and honestly my new favorite reply is:
Should we kill all Beavers? I hear they alter water flows in an unnatural manner.
Yes, behold the unnatural beaver lmfao
I loved the argument of “telling people what to do does not give communism an endearing look”
You know what else isn’t an endearing look for a communist? Ruining the COMMONS for funsies
People do this shit every time they're criticized about anything.
stop fucking with nature for fun
but, uh, natives have rock cairns!!!
go vegan
but, uh, inuits!
think for even a second before taking an action
sorry I'm pretty sure indigenous people don't think :galaxy-brain:
It's just so overtly racist. I don't understand how that shit isn't an instant ban. Using indigenous people as a prop for your privileged first world bullshit is just completely fucking unacceptable
californian mexican food is not an import from immigrants its northern mexican from when it was part of mexico
I will continue to stack the rocks, not for the sake of an imaginary native or neurodivergent person who I only care about when I'm defending my actions, but because I'm selfish and want to stack the rocks. See, it's that easy. Not everything needs to be tied into this greater moral framework. You can do something questionable for no greater reason than you being kind of a prick. You'll get people yelling at you either way, so you might as well be honest.
Fucking thank you. People need to get off of their moral high horses ffs. We all do shit that's not ideal, we're not monks that live in a cave
I mean, please don’t do it. It’s completely avoidable behavior that in the long term damages the commons for everybody, let alone the fact that it is very bad for waterways while simultaneously being completely avoidable behavior.
Like this isn’t an issue of telling people to stop eating meat, to stop driving cars, etc. Like literally just don’t go out of your way to destroy a fragile ecosystem is actually a really small ask that everybody can do by literally doing nothing instead. You just don’t have to ruin the commons for other people for funsies
I'm not arguing that people should stack rocks, I agree with you there that people should not do it. Leave no trace is a very important principle, for the reasons you state in your comment.
It's just really annoying when people try to find some imaginary moral high ground to justify doing something after someone else told them that it's a bad thing to do. Like it's the most bold face type of lying you'll ever see.
My comment is not arguing for doing things that are bad, but rather poking fun at those that hop on the make believe moral high ground to justify continuing to do something after being told it's harmful.
Like if you find doing something so bad that you have to make up some contrived excuse to morally justify it, wouldn't it be easier on your mind and soul to just not do that action?
And if you don't feel strongly about it, there's no reason to stop doing said action. So why do people make excuses to justify doing something "wrong" that they don't even care about that much? Seems like unironic virtue signalling to do such. Trying to tell everyone how much of a good person they still are, even though they do something that others see as "bad".
yeah considering you went off on a huge hostile tirade against multiple people, this seems like a very honest interpretation from a trustworthy source
We went from people having a temper tantrum over their treats being criticized to people having a temper tantrum because they want to stack rocks for their Instagram lol.
I honestly don’t think any of the people who suddenly feel very strongly about stacking rocks even give a fuck about it and literally just want any excuse to be a dickhead on the internet, it’s some Reddit-tier bullshit especially from the one guy
It’s ok, you can name names. We all know it was removed by mod who did it
Someone had a meltdown because they wanted to stack rocks for their Instagram pic.
Don't forget the closely-related classic "it's okay for me to eat meat because food deserts exist"
No Elizabeth Warren’s though.
As an Elizabeth Warren, thissss issss deeply disssssrespectful. :warren-snake-green:
I'm almost a Warren, my great grandmother was part Mohawk (dont know how much, but enough that she got casino checks) and I've never stacked a rock in my life, so the indigenous have spoken, rock stacking is out.
Same, I'm first nations, I'd say don't do it please. The science is in from that other thread, there's no need to stack the rocks beyond self-gratification.
Unless you're lost on a circular river and want to make one stack to be sure you haven't passed that way before.
We already had the “vegans can’t tell indigenous peoples to not eat meat” struggle session. But I’ll give my take.
Indigenous peoples have certain privileges to do things because they were the victims of several centuries worth of genocide. These privileges include…
Eating meat
Hunting
Doing slash and burn agriculture
Land exploitation like oil drilling
Running a casino
It’s already decided that the descendants of white settler colonialists shouldn’t eat meat, that they shouldn’t be land owners, that institutions like gambling are bad. But to deny indigenous communities to decide for themselves their own destiny on things is stripping away the self agency indigenous people need returned to them.
Yes indigenous have special spiritual connections to the land, no western science is not the be all end all of knowledge, no white people/european do not possess the same spiritual connection to land or have cultures worth preserving.
It may sound hypocritical to say a white should legally not be allowed to eat meat but an indigenous person can no problem, but if you don’t get it, then you probably never will. This issue cannot be fully expressed in words.
wtf is this about stacking rocks? I've lived with indigenous people for several decades and I haven't heard any of them talk about stacking rocks for fun or as some sort of cultural spiritualism. They're more into dancing and making music.
What are you talking about those motherfuckers love stacking rocks it practically all they ever do. That's how the pilgrims were able to infiltrate Plymouth rock under cover of darkness to host the first Thanksgiving, because the native Americans were all in a nearby rock stacking ceremony
