“All of these countries are ethnostates! Why can’t we have one? Because we’re Jewish?”

“Because genocide.”

“Point being?”

https://fxtwitter.com/jewishwonk/status/1788543985729884390?s=46

    • EmoThugInMyPhase [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      It doesn’t matter if there are dozens of ethnic minority groups in a country. When it comes to justifying the worst evil, they all get lumped into “whites” and “Asians” or “blacks”

      • edge [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        Just as it has been for centuries. Race “scientists” usually divide humanity in to three overall races. “Caucusoids” and two other “-oids” based on the Mongols and the n word.

      • Barabas [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        An important thing to raise here is that the minority don’t just live in the countries, they also get equal rights. Zionists flip-flop between wanting Israel to be an ethnostate where the minorities should be killed/removed and an apartheid state with Palestinians as an eternal underclass.

        • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
          hexagon
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          7 months ago

          It was actually a controversial dilemma among early Zionists in the Yishuv since many understood that things would get permanently more complicated if Arabs are even "permitted" as an underclass, as their planned Jewish state will eventually come to rely on them as an exploitable labor force among other things. It's the same way that the South African government trying to "separate an omelette" with Apartheid, as the last President before its dismantlement pointed out.

    • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      Japan is sort of an ethnostate, though not as starkly so as Israel (nor as starkly so as "homogeneity" chuds pretend it is)

      • oregoncom [he/him]
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        7 months ago

        If Japan started treating it's Ainu, Ryukyu, Korean, or Chinese minority as bad as Israel treats palestinians then they would've been nuked again by now. Clearly, the only way for Israel to be a proper ethnostate is to give the Arab countries and Iran nukes.

  • VILenin [he/him]M
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    7 months ago

    Wow, I didn't know that the Mongolians expelled the original European inhabitants of Mongolia and interned the rest into an open-air concentration camp

    Also, lmao @ Zionists juggling the "there is no Genocide in Ba Sing Se", "ackshully Hamas is genociding Jews", and "genocide is good actually" cards at the same time.

  • Shyfer@ttrpg.network
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    7 months ago

    I feel like their arguments always eventually become "Well other countries got to do genocide or colonialism, why can't we?"

  • iridaniotter [she/her]
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    7 months ago

    Ethnostate is when your population is predominantly one ethnicity. This is why America is not a settler colony, while China is. I am very smart. What are "policies"?

  • FuckyWucky [none/use name]
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    7 months ago

    Fascists all have the same talking points. Indian Hindutva fascists bring up all the countries with a state religion to justify having their own ethnostate.

    Estonia and Armenia were part of a secular multicultural state. USSR

    • itappearsthat
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      7 months ago

      I was (charitably) listening to a podcast episode on the phenomenon of left antisemitism yesterday and on the topic of anti-zionism one host claimed leftists not giving the same level of attention to Hindutva fascism was indicative of antisemitism. I'm sure this will grow to become more of a thing in left consciousness; already Hindutva fascists managed to get Newsom to veto the California state bill outlawing caste discrimination, so their role in the US has reached the point of influencing domestic politics. To me it's obvious that anti-zionism occupies more space on the left because I keep running into people who served in the IDF in professional circles and you can get fired for speaking out against zionism and our government just gave israel however many billions of dollars and celebrated it. Zionism thrusts its way into my life unavoidably; israeli and US society are very tightly integrated.

      • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.ml
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        7 months ago

        claimed leftists not giving the same level of attention to Hindutva fascism was indicative of antisemitism.

        I'd say this is not correct and is probably because Israel is undertaking an extremely violent and naked genocide campaign that the USA primarily funds and the other Western allies support and defend. It's always gonna get more attention unless the BJP government decides to do something extremely bad.

    • thetaT [none/use name]
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      6 months ago

      even modern-day Armenia is wrestling with an actual ethnostate that occupies its territory and expels its people (Azerbaijan)

      • HexBroke
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        5 months ago

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        • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
          hexagon
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          7 months ago

          I was more alluding to its thorough collaboration during the Holocaust contributing to its “homogeneity” but yeah, fuck the modern Estonian state. No wonder it was cheering on Israel back in October.

  • QuillcrestFalconer [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    It's actually anti-semitic to not allow Israel to be an ethbostate and to commit genocide

  • BioWarfarePosadist [she/her, they/them]
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    7 months ago

    Like there is some history of what can be called colonization in Finland and Japan, with the Ainu in Japan and Sami people in Finland. But like these places resemble ethnostates based more off of geographic and language isolation.

    If Japan spoke English as a second language the same way you see in former British colony states, you can bet your ass that island would be full of immigrants and non-japanese people.

    But it's an island with a language that is really hard for Westerners to learn.

    Finland is a snowy wasteland most the year, so yeah not a lot of people want to live there, so only the people who have always lived there live there. Finnish is also a hard language for not Scandinavians to learn.

    The other countries are just absolutely pulled out his ass, I think, but again are probably more ethnostate like due to geographic issues and not because some people started colonizing it in the last century and kicked out the modern native population that was living there forever

    • regul [any]
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      7 months ago

      Also Finland is in the EU. So any other EU citizen can move there and work whenever they want.

    • robinnn
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      7 months ago

      Finland is a snowy wasteland most the year, so yeah not a lot of people want to live there, so only the people who have always lived there live there. Finnish is also a hard language for not Scandinavians to learn.

      Finland has multiple times been caught out in its repression and turning away of immigrants, in 2023 setting up concrete barriers topped with barbed wire and accusing Russia of so-called “hybrid warfare” when faced with an influx of asylum-seeking migrants. You don't have to defend Finland like this in order to be against Israel.

    • huf [he/him]
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      7 months ago

      it's a hard language for scandinavians to learn, since finnish is entirely unrelated to swedish, danish, norwegian, etc.

      • thetaT [none/use name]
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        6 months ago

        it's closer to russian than it is to any of the Scandinavian languages

        • huf [he/him]
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          6 months ago

          lol no it isnt, it's exactly as far from russian as it is from the scandinavian languages. cos you see, finnish is an uralic language, while scandinavian languages and russian are indoeuropean.

          • thetaT [none/use name]
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            6 months ago

            IIRC a lot of words are borrowed from russian, like niet which comes from the russian nyet, no? maybe my sources are just bad

            • huf [he/him]
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              6 months ago

              sure, and a lot are borrowed from swedish, low german, who knows what. i dont think their word for "no" is borrowed though, nor does it seem to be "niet".

  • Liz@midwest.social
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    7 months ago

    ethnostate
    ˈɛθnəʊsteɪt

    noun
    a sovereign state of which citizenship is restricted to members of a particular racial or ethnic group.

    I'm pretty sure homeboy doesn't know the definition of an ethnostate, so I'd thought it post it here in case he randomly sees this.

    • RamrodBaguette [comrade/them, he/him]
      hexagon
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      7 months ago

      Sure is curious why Zionist talking points so often intersect with WhiteNat/NeoNazi talking points ("Asia for Asians, Africa for Africans, Huwhite countries for everyone! Why can't we have a state like the others?! WAAA").

  • REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml
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    7 months ago

    Neither Mongolia, nor Finland are ethnostates... I Do not think Armenia is either. Lots of turkic ethnicities live in Mongolia and Finland has sami and swedes. Neither are supressed.

    Estland is a ethnostate, it supresses its russian minority, Japan shits all over its ainu, ryukyu and korean citizens.

    • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]
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      7 months ago

      I'd leave it to one of our Finnish comrades to go into detail, but I thought there actually is/was repression of the Sami in Finland. IIRC there was a UN resolution about it as recently as a couple years ago.

    • Dessa [she/her]
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      7 months ago

      Yeah, hearkening back to Japanese genocide is not a good rhetorical flourish

  • plinky [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    Not huge surprise that they supported artsakh cleansing then, huh. They just helping small bean azerbaijan to maintain blood purity

  • Adkml [he/him]
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    7 months ago

    I always love this reasoning that because a bunch of countries have killed people and took their land that makes it ok.

    I'm sure they would apply this same logic and have zero complaints if tou went to their house and killed their whole family and took their house.

    They vocally defend that being ok every chance they get.