I feel that, though I did enjoy Harvey’s books and his lecture series on Capital. Notably, Harvey does not condemn AES, just ignores it. I’d say he’s one of the best “legal” Marxists within the allowed limits of western academic discourse.
Jp here seems to always pick the weakest arguments. Prepare for tears again.
I wonder why that is. He's the greatest thinker of our generation. He's just so goddamn good at thinking. Yet everything he posts could be easily replaced by an AI whose inputs are just transphobia, randomly arranged cultural buzzwords, Disney movies, and Canadian slang.
and one of Jung's books but mechanically translated into Swedish and back to English
He knows that his audience doesn't care. Most of them believe that he won the 'debate' with Žižek. They buy into JP's claim that triggering 'woke lefties' are how he makes his money, without ever pondering that it's not 'woke lefties' buying his books ,subscribing to his patreon or enrolling in his sham college.
I have a long time friend who somehow became a Peterson fan. He blames the drugs for Peterson's poor debate performance. This is somewhat of a positive, because he seems to feel that if Peterson can't handle these drugs, then no one can.
The classic "he was too busy choking down benzos to read 18 pages" defense.
You'd think after Peterson pulled this asinine little trick with Richard Wolff, the lobsterboys would get the picture
Oh yes, the Ashida Kim "master ninja" defense. "If you wish to challenge my kung-fu, wager $10,000 up-front".
I think the trick is to disguise yourself as an easily flustered callow youth and then dunk him when he tries to bully you.
Yes, he’s the west’s greatest philosopher other than Joe Rogan. Given the state of the west, this is par for the course
That's amazing you lucky goose !! I always watch his anti capitalist chronicles and learn a lot pretty much everytime. Personally his work helped me in a substantial way in reading reading volume 1 of capital with his chapter by chapter (if I recall correctly) lecture read along series . And no I have not read the other volumes because [relatively] I haven't read that much theory 😭 . And to be honest I don't understand vol 1 of capital in a truly meaningful sense despite having read it a couple years ago 😆🤭 . (Not to be "me me me") but that's why I don't call myself a "Marxist" for the most part. Of course I understand materialism and in a general sense Communism/Socialism/Capitalism (have roughly had the same politics sense I was ~18) and other ism's but I don't really fully understand the "science" of Marxism . 🙈.
Great post thanks for leveling with me .
"I am still an anarchist and I think the word Marxist connotes a specific flavor of communism in conversation with other leftists that would misrepresent my principles."
I stopped calling myself an anarchist for reasons I assume you can guess, but I don't think we are on opposite sides of the barricade . Stand against western imperialism, the bourgeoisie and the landlords and reject right wing reaction to put it simply and we are in arms . That's why I always just say "pan leftist" or simply "communist" if anyone asks, not that it really matters .
And "Marxian" is a cop out but that's academics for ya 😆 . I've seen your other post tho. In internet speak you are definitely "freakin based 😮" in my humble opinion lol.
And holistic urban design is fascinating. Venezuelan communes have done a lot of interesting things with new urban design. Talking outta my ass but the dichotomy of a planned economy and a local more holistic economy needs to be figured out. (the Soviet Union had good experiments on this) , skeptical whether academics will really bring it in the end though .
Yes, see, this is why non sectarianism (in other words being in often mundane reality not overreacting) is so important , because I'm sure we disagree on many things but what's important and meaningful in this current historical context and moment is that folks(workers/leftists) most likely agree on what's important. As I'm sure you feel it's not about being "fond" of China or North Korea , it's about loving the entire world and trying to understand it, how did we get here (and what is the material experience of every nation as far as one can discern) whatever "here" actually is ?
And students... Oh man... Idk Im so bipolar on how I feel about these 18-20 year old folks ( I'm still in my 20's lol) living in this age of cybernetics because they can be socially progressive but the nihilism and western chauvinism is so deep in college spaces ... A generational analysis like that isn't Materialist yes but you understand what im communicating I'm sure.
Yes haven't read Socialism Utopian and Scientific yet but definitely need to . Engels The Principles of Communism is also a great introduction because it literally breaks down the basic tenants of Communism in a way that pretty much anyone can understand (easily translatable too) . Same with Mao's Red Book .
Someone really needs to write The Black Book of Capitalism using all the same methodology the original used.
You're in luck, someone did this in r/fullcommunism a while back (absolutely shocked that the place is STILL around)
the google doc for the sources isnt around anymore sadly
Pretty sure there is a Black Book of Capitalism that was originally published in French. May have been translated recently?
The fact that he debated Zizek and still got owned is what makes it so funny. Dude had that benzo confidence going in.
I could have owned him. He knew about as much as an under prepared teenager.
Dude really thought that he could read half of the Manifesto and that would cover it. Valium valor.
His courses really are available for free and it's probably a bit more in-depth than a video essay from some guy with a gaming mic.
Wasn't it 60 million a while ago? Unless I really am losing my fucking mind you'd think that someone would notice an additional 40 million people droppin' doon deid? That's like wiping out Canada or Ukraine.
Anti-communists have been saying 100 million forever, the whole goal of the "black book of communism" was to arrive at a 100 million number by any twisted means necessary (including invading Nazis as víctims of communism, wildly inflating estimates of deaths in Russia and China, etc).
This might be the first time I've ever seen Peterson interact with a Marx scholar outside of Zizek. There was that bit in the debate where Zizek asked specifically who Peterson meant when he talked about all the Marxist academics. Peterson didn't seem to have any specific names, so Zizek offered the name David Harvey, who Peterson didn't recognize. It's surreal it took him this long to finally talk to Harvey.
It's also surreal how Peterson seems shocked there's a Marxist academic. I know universities in imperialist countries are these goofball neoliberal class reproduction factories, but Marxism is a main pillar of any humanities department and will get passing mentions in fields like sociology. I vaguely remember reading a statistic in school that something like 15% of philosophy research papers written in the USA are explicitly Marxist. So it's not some unknown hidden secret thing.
I've yet to meet an irl philosophy student who wasn't a Marxist. It's like he was right.
After seeing Chris Hedges suggesting I team up with NazBols, when I saw David Harvey @ing Jordan Peterson, I was about to :NOOOOO:
