It's not a word that can, or should be, "reclaimed".
Dunking on chuds/libs/etc. is awesome, but it doesn't need that specific framing.
Just because it's ok to do something to an adult doesn't mean it's ok to do that same thing to a child. Many such cases.
Yes obviously what I meant is its always ok to bully adults nothing has been clearer
i mean you literally said "it's ok to do something to an adult" where 'do something' means bullying. if you want to present a more nuanced view than that you should phrase it in accordance.
It is ok to bully an adult, that doesn't mean it's ok to bully every adult get outta here with this.
It's threads like this that make me realize "Oh there actually are people who are more concerned with getting performatively offended to virtue signal than meaningfully oppsoing fascists" and it's always such a let down.
Especially here. I have rage quit this site more than once because of endless dumbass struggle sessions
Bespoke struggle sessions are the best and worst part of this website.
Anybody can argue about broad topics but there's only a couple places where you can have a 300 comment struggle session on one completely unique and incredibly tailored topic.
There’s actually zero difference between good and bad things. You imbecile. You fucking moron.
Bullying bad people who deserve it and have shitty beliefs to be bullied out of is good. Bullying innocent children for things they cannot control is bad. Context matters.
I can see a line of argument where a 4th grader shouldn't be bullied even for things they can control. They'd hardly know better because of their mushy, young, little mind. In that sense, the bullying is only the harmful part of getting the message across. Therefore there'd be a desire to separate the connotations of bullying from the good work of rattling the chains of people who are responsible for harm.
I think this is where the problem is. You can't bully someone into having better beliefs. You can bully them into shutting up and being scared to say their shitty opinions out loud. There's a lot of people where achieving that would be great, and for them "bullying works". But believing that "bullying works" to actually change people for the better leads to some awful behavior, and it's an issue that a lot of people on this site accept it.
You absolutely can bully people out of shitty beliefs and it's way more effective than saying "let's try to figure out why you believe you're a superior race"
"Bullying" is literally what made it unacceptable for white people to call black people the n word in public.
You’re talking about opposing racist pieces of shit. For that, absolutely, use bullying, punches, bullets, whatever works. But there you’re not trying to make them better people, the goal is to stop them from saying and doing racist shit.
My issue is when this gets applied to trying to get an okay to change their beliefs. It’s not going to work, and you can talk yourself into doing some fucked up stuff that way.
Not bullying someone doesn’t mean being nice and holding their hand, it means not trying to make their life hell. You can still be harsh, blunt, and forceful when calling things out. That’s different from bullying.
I think we should be aware of when it’s an appropriate tool to use, and not treat any criticism of bullying like it’s a call to give a klansman a hug.
"Any time I think of killing, I think of throttling a toddler while their parents have to watch. So let's not use killing to describe what we want to do to Nazis."
Sorry but this is a stupid, pointless argument to have. Context matters.
Yea I'm going to assume the 4th grader wasn't being bullied because of his dogsgit political takes that came striaght from a wapo op ed about how safety regulations are actually detrimental to the working class.
I would totally strangle baby hitler while his parents watch
Okay just burn down the maternity ward. Just to be safe I would go around maternities burning down maternity wards in Europe. Those children chose violence the moment they were conceived.
.... if you search the most riducules way of framing something to then make it a problem you can then beeing concerned about..... its not a problem , the most ridicules way of framing you applied is the problem.
and Bullying works . You will not relate bulling fascist out of their opinion on an online forum with" Sucide Cases in Highschool" anymore even if you are ridicules enough to draw this connection..
Drawing this conection is real not acceptable , and if you do it you appear as somebody searching and Stirring for Drama.
maybe using the 'punching up' vs 'punching down' language would be some helpful context?
"Bullying Down"
"Bullying Up"It’s because the chuds complain “I’m being bullied” that the term is used.
Yeah every time you're about to bully a fascist, simply shoot them instead.
No more half measures Walter
we have dozens of emotes which are direct references to murder, and a site culture that constantly celebrates righteous political violence, but bullying is a bridge too far?
Hot take, but to be honest, the whole 'bullying works' thing always came off as quite lame.
It's online discourse. You don't seem tough. You seem like the leftist stereotype of a keyboard warrior.
The chances are, a lot of leftists were probably on the 'bullied' side of the spectrum - more so than the right wing kids who were more likely to have been the bully. This could be too much extrapolation, but sometimes it seems like some deeper psychological impulse to enact justice on behalf of your younger self, and feel powerful.
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I think the thread is deleted, so I cant reply to the comments. So I'll just put it in here.
I'm not critiquing being mean to fascists. I never scold people for being mean to fascists, I just think there's a way to do it that isn't cringeworthy. If they're clearly acting in bad faith, yeah, tell them to fuck off. Labelling that as bullying however only helps their optics as victims (self perceived or otherwise), and proudly proclaiming that you've bullied someone over the internet... just... it's just not a good look. Like, 'guys, we sure pwned that CHUD, right??!'
Maybe I'm wrong, but it just feels like a terminally online weirdo signifier. As is arguing in the Hexbear comments on a deleted thread, I suppose.
I just think if you're in a position in society where it's not too emotionally laborious or dangerous for you to engage with someone meaningfully, you should try. I truly believe you can make a difference, even if it's marginal, whether it's just planting a seed of doubt, or giving them a whole new framework to interpret society with.
That said, a pig shitting on it's own balls is sometimes the only option.
I don't think it makes the poster cool by any means, but it's an effective way to deal with chuds sealioning or concern trolling. Often their shitty arguments aren't worthy of being engaged, and you don't want them to have free momentum. Hence, harass them till they are either banned or quit.
The flip side to seeming like a "leftist stereotype of a keyboard warrior" is seeming like a civility fetishist who scolds people for being mean to literal self proclaimed fascists.
If we're going to meaningfully oppose the rising tide of fascism in this country we may need to get a little thicker skin then being upset on the behalf of the enemy for calling them a dork.
more so than the right wing kids who were more likely to have been the bully
I don't think that rings true tbh. Like sure, right wing as per definition of a leftist, but if your schoolmates perceived you as right wing, good chance you were bullied for being a fucking loser
Depends on school culture, more rural and suburban schools definitely have a very conservative dominant culture typically. Also in Canada hockey players take the role of the athletic kids and hockey tends to have a very reactionary culture compared to other sports
The point I've failed to make here is that this doesn't register as right-wing to the given community, it registers as normal. I think nigh everybody who would register as right-wing to a rural or suburban school or canadian hockey players is going to get bullied for it because after that dominant culture it's all just loser shit like talking about phrenology or whatever
Ah okay I see that makes sense, the kid who gets into esoteric fascism and Evola definitely gets bullied
I object to comparing bullying libs and nazis to this. They're different things and everyone understands that.
I don't see why the word matters. I was bullied, I'd wager half the people here experienced some form of bullying as a kid. That doesn't change the fact that "cancel culture" "brigading" and generally being rude shits to people online with intent to get a social reaction out of them that is positive (they fuck off, apologise, delete accounts, never do it again, etc etc etc) is accurate to describe as bullying. It is bullying in service of good, this is bullying in service of bad. They're quite easily understood as different things.
Yea exactly this.
When I went to youth program in the next town over because it was free for my family kids literally threw rocks at me and would shove me I to shale so I'd get cut up and then the counselors would grab me if I tried to retaliate because they were the older brothers of the kids bullying me and we'd both get in the same amount of trouble.
Don't have much patience for people telling me calling self avowed nazis stupid assholes makes me as bad as them.
People here fundamentally understand the difference between punching up and punching down. Otherwise they wouldn't be here.
anytime i hear about 'sex' i think of the time i was abused but you don't see me making my personal hangups into a Big Dramatic Criticism Of Hexbear Sitewide Culture.
Most people hear 'bullying' and think of like low stakes teasing and stuff, not child suicide. Its not this sites specific leftist attempt to 'reclaim' the word 'bullying', it is literally just english speakers using the word as usual with its usual meaning and context which does not include child suicide. absolutely no one here advocates for children committing suicide and it is borderline wrecker behavior to suggest as much. This is shock value emotional manipulation to associate hexbear with child suicide for no good reason whatsoever.
idk if you are intentionally wrecking but to the passive observer you are equating the mild criticism of the online posts of others with advocating for literal child deaths, that is absolutely ridiculous.
I mostly agree in this case but what's exactly stopping somebody for making the same argument for words like "idiot" or "stupid"? There was a thread concerning exactly this a few days/weeks ago and people responded way more positively about that than about this.
I guess you can't do much better than take it on a case-by-case basis.
Bullying works. Shooting people works too. What matters is the target.
on a fourth grader
