Makes me super happy to see her so freaking angry.
China has disrupted the market. China is not a free market economy. We tried. We let them into the World Trade Organization. We sent our businesses over there. We made trade deals. They are a controlled top-down economy. You will never compete and win against them, unless you take back the means of production.
You will never compete and win against them
:xigma-male: Planned economy
She said this back in
20202021. It's always interesting to see when a politician drops the media face and shows they do have some grasp of what is actually happening around them.Also, thank fuck she has no chance of office. With how she's talking it seems she'd rather risk thermonuclear war than let US empire continue its steady collapse.
it seems she’d rather risk thermonuclear war than let US empire continue its steady collapse.
Yeah I think I’ve come to the conclusion that Trump winning in 2016 was the good outcome, because Clinton would likely have started WW3.
For sure, but I’ve said since 2020 that Biden was worse than Trump, which I think has become demonstrably true since he took office. Literally every bad idea Trump had about covid, Biden implemented and made sure the media shut the fuck up about it. He’s killed more people with covid even with a very effective vaccine existing.
I don’t think you can make that argument. Biden has been negligent and uncaring of women’s rights, trans rights etc, but Trump would actively ban shit at a federal level.
On labor, both are horrible. Same with China. But imo Trump wouldn’t hesitate to throw everyone who’s not a cis white male into camps which Biden is less likely to do.
I just don’t understand that argument since those things have been happening under Biden but didn’t happen under Trump. The anti-trans laws were passed under Biden, not Trump. Roe was overturned under Biden, not Trump. Trump raved about China sure, but Biden’s trade war and propaganda campaign have been far more effective.
Trump was too incompetent and loud to do the evil shit that Biden’s been able to do
What is your argument here?
That if Trump won in 2020, he wouldn’t have let Roe v Wade be overturned? He would’ve acted against DeSantis and other Republicans going fascist on a state level wrt bipoc and lgbtq people?
Seriously?
Are you fucking joking?
He would’ve done acted similarly in a federal level. He’s literally campaigning on that right now.
No, my argument is that the only difference between them is that Trump pisses people off and Biden doesn’t, and if they’re gonna do the same shit I’d rather the libs also be mad about it, rather than sad but content like they are under Biden.
The Overton window is kind of a dumb concept, but using that as a framework Trump sets the right wing baseline in the same place Biden sets the left wing baseline.
They have the same policies, but instead of having 75% of congress to his left, Biden makes 75% of congress be instinctually to his right.
I agree with you to an extent. Biden does a lot of the same things trump does, but the media and “progressive” politicians stay quiet.
But in the cases I laid out, for LGBTQ, women, and bipoc people, trump would not just sit back and let DeSantis and others upstage him. He would enact these fascist policies on a federal level and that is an unacceptable outcome for me.
Maybe you’re fine with it, in which case, go ahead.
I’m certainly not fine with it, I just think you’re incorrect on that prediction. I think that because Trump stoked people to be so mad, he would face far more resistance and wouldn’t have been able to enact the policies that Biden/the governors under Biden have.
Trump is such a disaster that he gums up the works too much to be as evil as Biden is my point.
Also I could certainly be wrong, and my random dipshit thoughts on a possible alternate history are not exactly useful
Also I could certainly be wrong, and my random dipshit thoughts on a possible alternate history are not exactly useful
We’re both guilty on this :avoheart:
What a kidder. All of them knew what admitting China to the WTO meant. It meant money money money! They made bank for 20 years on that! The idea that China would somehow sign on to the US-led "order" and become a meek sycophant like Australia or Columbia was fanciful, and they knew it. But damn, all that money lying in a pile, just sitting there! And all they had to do was ruin the American working class to get at it! It was win-win!
1 - Send all your factories to China, where you can exploit workers more. Make shitton of money.
2 - Unemployment and deindustrialization at home let you exploit the hambergers better and progressively strip any social safety nets. Make even more money.
3 - Make sure fascism is the only "viable" reaction to what you did.
4 - When the lack of industry makes your country lose its economic relevancy, fascist nation will gleefully clap as you do thermonuclear war to "bring back industry home".
5 - Send all your industry to any of the other dozens of "underdeveloped countries" you made sure to exist who wont have leaders with a spine nor vision.
5 requires investment for development which is untenable with the profit rate already in the shitter. It’s like saying you’ll reshore industry. How dog?
With the money printinf machine and the nukes if anyone dares to not use your funny money
But the money printing machine is the thing that keeps profits existent. If you use it for actual development the profits disappear. Ending QE has started to tank our economy because it was kept afloat with those monopoly bucks. Rate of profit is so low the only way it works is if the printer goes straight to the piggy bank, anything intermediary like investment in productive sectors means economic ruin. We’re painted into a corner
How/why?
Also, kinda unrelated, where can I find a mathematical demonstration of "inflation" in the imperial core as a product and maintener of colonialism, basically a self occurring / self sustaining phenomenon.
Let me step back and say I’m probably being sensationalist but you can see the lack of investment in real productive economy and the over investment in obviously bullshit speculative assets in the dual crypto boom/baby formula crisis wherein companies find it unprofitable to invest in real commodities and production and only profitable in Ponzi schemes that return at insane odds. Quantitative easing has been the mechanism that’s flushed the economy with cheap debt since the Obama admin and has propped up everything from zombie firms to speculative tech companies that haven’t proven themselves by ever turning a profit and so on. That money spigot got shut off circa 2022 and is part of the primary driver behind our current economic crisis. Rate of profit is so low investment in real infrastructure isn’t expected to make returns for firms anymore and it’s becoming a problem as the free money machine stops (tho the inverse is the longer the free money machine runs the bigger the explosions gonna be when it eventually turns off)
Capital tends to find a way to recreate profit centers after overaccumulation, let’s just hope it doesn’t take another world war to do it. Also you could argue inflation is a mechanism of firms trying to eek out profit by simply jacking the prices of their existing goods. Labor is variable capital but can only be exploited so deeply before people just can’t afford to survive, but revenue streams are also variable and can be edited to keep up profit (tho misaligning the two creates another huge issue in the economy ofc)
And they’re starting to lose Colombia, a country I never expected to be able to stand up for itself.
It's always a little disconcerting when the elites drop the act and reveal their marxism, it's like looking at a mirror and seeing someone else waving at you
It is not AI, it is from a Chatham House talk from 2021
https://twitter.com/ChathamHouse/status/1390284424806289410
The ruling class are marxists when it suits them. They see the world as we do, they simply use that marxist knowledge to uphold their ruling class power.
The competent ones anyway. Hilary is a very competent monster.
I honestly would have assumed so but everyone in the linked comments is taking it seriously
unless you take back the means of production.
By "we" she means Western capitalists, and by "take back the means of production" she means take away the industrial and technological progress that China has made. And good luck with that, ghoul.
:xi-gun:
We definitely would’ve invaded Venezuela a few years ago if she’d won
Wow just really mask off huh. I'd like think even ghouls like her know it's not possible to safely interfere with China, but who knows what they'd be willing to risk
I am shidding and passing my pants rn trying to not pop-off with hot takes
