I keep seeing this online and in person. I don't know how to respond
Ask them if the police should have droned the school in Uvalde to take out the shooter.
The kids would’ve grown up to do walk outs in support of Palestine, so yes.
"If Hamas used you as a shield, would you be okay with Israel shooting you?"
"If a bank robber uses hostages as a shield, would you be okay with police shooting the hostages?"
The other thing that Zionists pair with the human shields argument is saying that Hamas embeds itself into schools and hospitals so that Israel must attack schools and hospitals. Hamas is the governing military of Gaza, of course Hamas is going to be in schools and in hospitals. In the US, the US military is in US schools and US hospitals. In Israel, the IOF military is in Israel schools and Israel hospitals. Israel is not permitted to attack schools and hospitals even if Hamas is present.
"If a bank robber uses hostages as a shield, would you be okay with police shooting the hostages?"
IOF practice is more like dropping a bomb on the bank
And then bomb the first responders that show up to pull people out of the rubble.
"How barbaric for israelies to shoot anyway knowing there's innocents in the fire zone"
Shame them.
Agreed, but “shooting” implies they do most of their killing with bullets - single shots with limited collateral / a weapon designed to kill only what you point it at. but really they’re dropping hundreds of pounds of bombs on people and buildings, opting for means of destruction that annihilate everyone and everything closeby.
And that’s why we only ever see IOF militants fighting in the rubble of Gaza. They’re only brave enough to use bullets after they’ve killed as many people as possible with their bombs
oh good point. snipers to explode children's limbs, and bombs in case there's human shields.
I guess that could be another callout too. Bombs don't have eyes to differentiate who is around so why drop in a populated area.
online
pig poop balls
in person
keep a stack of business cards with pig poop balls printed on them and hand them out to people with bad takes
What would be the point of using human shields when the IOF has shown absolutely no hesitation in killing civilians anyways.
Using human shields implies that you don't have many years of evidence that said shields won't be shot straight through. The IDF doesn't even let Israeli hostages slow their butchering, much less any Palestinian. Anyone still saying the "human shields" bullshit to defend carpet bombing is deranged and probably not worth your time.
What evidence is there that Hamas is really using people as human shields?
... And weigh that against the mountains of evidence of israel's disregard for Palestinian life and wellbeing:
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Can they really claim "human shields" when israel is dropping bombs on densely populated areas? What about when they bomb refugee camps, clinics, hospitals, evacuation routes, or designated safe zones? Or when they drop bombs on members of Hamas in their family homes?
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What about the infants israel left dead and rotting in al-Shifa Hospital? And how israel couldn't produce any evidence that Hamas was actually using that hospital as a base?
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What about the israeli hostages crying for help and waving white flags that the IOF murdered?
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What about the mass starvation? The restriction of food, water, electricity, medicine, and other humanitarian aid? The repeated targetting of aid workers? Or the aid trucks blocked at the border, or worse, picked apart by israeli settlers? Does that not contradict the narrative that israel is only after Hamas?
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Oh, but the warning pamphlets! Like when israel tells the sick, starved, and traumatized Palestinians that they have 24 hours to walk 20km from one (former) safe zone to the next one, and then they start bombing them in 12 hours?
Any moral and honest person can see that israel has gone above and beyond to hurt as many Palestinians as possible - so why the fuck are these vague claims about "human shields" even taken seriously?
But what they're right? Maybe Hamas has taken (tens of) thousands of fellow Palestinians as human shields, so why can't israel produce any evidence of that? Why is israel restricting journalists or investigators from entering Gaza or the West Bank? Why are they repeatedly killing journalists? Surely, if what they say is true, it would benefit them to show what is happening, but instead they take every step to hide what is happening from everyone.
We all know how much libs like copy/pasted lists of evidence. I'm sure when that tactic is used against them, they will admit defeat
Great list though
Ok, let's cut off internet in Gaza.
Ok, now let's cut off telephone towers that they'll be able to access.
Ok, now we'll give them pamphlets for safe zones, but they can only be accessed through a QR code.
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In Finkelstein's "Gaza: An Inquest Into Its Martyrdom", he notes that have been investigations into the use of human shields by Hamas by orgs such as Amnesty. They found no evidence that Hamas used human shields. However, they did find evidence that the IDF used human shields.
Also, why would Hamas possibly use human "shields" when Israel have absolutely no qualms with killing civilians?
By not acknowledging the fascists who still support israel. They’ve already made their mind up
Supporting Israel is basically like supporting Nazi Germany so I wouldn't worry about the opinions of people who want you to answer that.
Ask them why the israeli Ministry of Defense, their military command and a legit target in a conflict, sits right in the middle of Tel Aviv, surrounded by civilian buildings.
i think videos of the iof using palestinians as human shields are fairly illustrative on this point
Yup. Before October 2023, the "human shields" in Palestine/israel discourse
was mostlyincluded coverage and outrage at the IOF for using Palestinians as human shields, for example, when raiding homes in the West Bank - outrage fueled bymountains ofdirect evidence that the IOF were in fact routinely using Palestinians as human shields.edit: I was wrong about "mostly", whoops, still death to israel. they still slaughter civilians and use "human shields" as one of many tools in their "genocidal cry-bullying" toolbox.
The definitely not true. You can search back and find claims of palestine using human sheilds way back in 2002, but it really picked up in 2008ish. Amnesty International had to put out a statement in 2009 saying there was no evidence for the claim.
It just likely never came up in your personal news sources. And yes of course Israel has used Palestinians & children as human sheilds.
oh word, thanks for clarifying. i just remember when i was debating some redditor and restricted a google search to pre-2023, and there was a few reports from HRW or the UN that stuck out
I definitely remember the "human shields" discourse back in 2012 and 2014 being used to excuse Israel killing Palestinian civilians.
Hell, there are videos of the IOF using Israelis as human shields.
"if a criminal holed up in your house the army would be right to bomb your house and kill you"
This is why the forefathers (praise be upon them) wrote the third amendment.
I give thanks every day that Tomnald Jackoffson prevented the government from garrisoning shoplifters in my home
