https://x.com/sleepy_devo/status/1794787570058248472
"...and those who demand instant perfection the day after the Revolution. They get up and say "Are there civil liberties for the fascists? Are they gonna be allowed to have their newspapers and their radio programs? Are they gonna be able to keep all their farms? The passion that some of our liberals feel the day after the Revolution; the passion and concern they feel for the fascists, the civil rights and civil liberties of those fascists, who were dumping and destroying and murdering people before. Now the revolution has got to be perfect it's got to be flawless.Well that isn't my criteria. My criteria is what happens to those people who couldn't read? What happens to those babies that couldn't eat, that died of hunger? And there, that's why I support revolution. The revolution that feeds the children gets my support..."
Source+ a little more context for the unfamiliar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROYzHJc_V9k
incredible speech
I ended up listening to the entire speech. I had forgotten that this absolute gem was literally part of an off the cuff response to an audience question.
Someone asks basically "does it make sense for us in the US to look at the Soviet Union as a model to be followed", and he goes off on a 5 minute response encompassing 1) no, the soviet union is a very different place, very poor and destitute historically, so revolution wouldn't look the same in the prosperous US, and 2) he covers the implication about AES countries being poor with an absolutely iconic speech about comparing these countries not to the US or europe, but to what their conditions looked like before the revolution, with several detailed and exceedingly passionate examples. then 3) he gives the quote you posted about liberals demanding perfect liberty for the fascists, 4) he mentions not supporting revolutions completely unqualifiedly/uncritically, and fighting/not supporting the "reaganite" regimes that do the opposite. 5) he encourages everyone to learn more about the unique and innovative changes in political organization that come out of AES countries, and evaluate each on its own merits and choose which we might want to emulate vs which we don't want.
Quite the helpful and revealing diatribe for a very "bait"-y audience question.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
Nazis existing is the Nazi throwing the first punch.
Their entire ideology is "might makes right" and extermination, they are attacking you by being a Nazi. Being a Nazi is by definition announcing your intention to do harm to the most vulnerable in our society
And there's also one important detail.
Why the hell should I listen to a fascists' advice on how to defeat them? Sorry this ain't Steven Universe, I'm not going to burst out crying and hug the nazi telling him I forgive him because I know there's "good in him" deep down.
We'll find the goodness within with a bullet, now face the wall please
Right? Where's that quote from Pavlichenko that's like "living nazis kill people so when I kil a Nazi I'm saving lives"?
Terfs when Nazis talk about murdering minorities: "Guys this is valuable free speech that deserves protection"
Terfs when someone talks about punching Nazis: "How dare you! I will protect Nazis with my life"
If talking about punching nazis makes you more upset than when nazis talk about doing nazi shit maybe you're just a fucking nazi.>So, in order to meet my personal definition of a neo-Nazi, you have to call for actual violence
a real response I got from a terf once, turns out theyre actually huge fans of self-identification
Nazis threw the first punch when they committed one of the worst crimes in human history.
Scratched liberal reveals Nazi-sympathies
My shock: immeasurable
Buh...but.......4CHAN SED LE NAZIS ARE FUNNNNNNNNNY!!111!! Murder is okay.....because FUNNY!!11111!!!!
Why do you silly non-psychopaths have no sense of humor?
Nothing demonstrate you have firm grasp of where moral high ground is like pulling out the R slur
Man, it's a more visceral hit than I thought it would be. I haven't actually seen that in writing in a long time.
So, the nazi freeze peach absolutism don't include communists, who would have thunk it.
to be fair, this is just general lib shit. like, you'll find a shittonne of people who are 100% "trans rights are human rights!!! ^_^ (but we need to fund the police, blow up muslims, and protect nazis UwU)"
Really fucking astounding how easy it is to become worse than the worst people on the planet
I hope they never learn about superheroes.
"Oh no! Why is batman punching poor Joker!? Joker should just be allowed to commit crimes and have everyone be ok with it!"
See you're missing the point. Only cops can use violence. Unless of course you are rich/super cool looking then you can too.
breaking my back to let people know how much i'll publicly defend nazis, specifically, which is suddenly very important to me.
Stalin already had a civil debate with Nazis back in the 1940's. How to handle them is a settled issue.
Nazis existing is violence. Its not a matter of disagreeing with them, they don’t deserve the right to spew their beliefs, they deserve a bullet. I would punch someone’s grandfather in the face if I knew they were a nazi. No pause, no regret. Push that old fuck down the stairs and then throw his nazi uniform down there after him, so everyone knows why.
reactionaries can't stop telling on themselves
