• Cherufe [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    This comment sums it up quite well

    Yes, this is exactly the case of liberalism enabling fascism by being completely toothless. And it’s also the consequence of the bourgeois class’s counterrevolutionary reaction to the protests. They made a complete overhaul of their propaganda tools when they lost the first referendum to rewrite the constitution. They changed their political strategy to complete saturation of right-wing propaganda in every possible space. They are wasting an absurd amount of money on permanent saturation propaganda. Before, they used to put their efforts before the elections, but now it’s every day. They are inventing a reality where we practically live in Mad Max, and if you go out, you are going to get shot by a Venezuelan cartel, but it’s completely bullshit. Chile is still the most secure country to live in Latin America.

    TLDR: Right wing mass media convinced people that they practically live in Mad Max, and if you go out, you are going to get shot by a Venezuelan cartel

    So chileans voted for the extreme right wing party that has been for years anti inmigration and pro-police

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        • Quizzes [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          The smarter you are, the more vulnerable you are. You think that it's only for the stupids and can't possibly affect a galaxy brain like yourself.

          And when it works, you think that it was your idea, that you came up with it yourself. Just look at all the stalwart anti-Nazis who suddenly turned on a dime and began cheering for Ukrainian Nazis just because the US government told them to.

          • zifnab25 [he/him, any]
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            2 years ago

            Turns out education is simply a function of one's information stream, and if you bombard people with bad inputs you can have very smart people spending all their time arguing over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

  • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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    2 years ago

    Hmmm, I wonder what kind of material conditions might lead to that kind of result? :curious-marx:

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1294731/distribution-wealth-by-percentile-chile/

    Oh, the top 10% hold 80% of the country's wealth, so they and their hangers-on vote fascist to keep it that way. I see.

    Welp, sorry folks, that's DEMOCRACY.

    • Lurker123 [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I haven’t been following too closely so would appreciate the extra info. Your answer can’t be the whole story, right? Otherwise, the leftists wouldn’t have won the elections to draft the constitution the first time around. Did something change, or did the fascists only now realize the importance of the constitutional amendment?

      • MemesAreTheory [he/him, any]
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        2 years ago

        It certainly isn't the entire story. I'm not an expert on the history of this situation, but I think part of what catapulted the left to power was the promise of substantial reform. That scared the liberals, and we all know what happens when you scratch those worms. If I had to hazard a guess, the PMC decided to coalesce around a common candidate and slide to the right rather than risk a fractured coalition giving more power to the real left. Add to that social democratic ineptitude to improve material conditions leading to resentment and disenchantment, and you've got a recipe for lower motivation from the base and abandonment of the platform by lower information voters more easily swayed by the now huge financial power backing the unified liberal/fascist block.

        This is pure speculation though. I'd really appreciate Chilean comrades correcting me and providing better details and context. I'm just extrapolating what I know of theory and my own country's politics, which I'm more familiar with.

        • jabrd [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Substantial reform that never materialized because of various political setbacks/failures. The liberal reformers continuously run aground on the state’s gears as if they’re not set there to act as tank traps in the first place and then end up the most hated group, typically to the benefit of the right (tho not always). The “progressive policies are massively popular but progressive politicians are massively hated” conundrum

  • kristina [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    why the fuck are none of the socialist groups combining

    • Cherufe [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Unidad para Chile is all the left groups combined and even then they only got like 25% of the vote

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        • Cherufe [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          Partido Comunista IS part of Unidad para Chile, maybe the graph isnt clear but everything left of PPD was on the same allience

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    • supafuzz [comrade/them]
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      2 years ago

      of course, it's not an equal thing. if the right doesn't get their pet evil constitution by referendum, they won't have a problem just couping for it

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Only this referendum won't have the bourgeois propaganda machine telling people that the new constitution is evil

  • JoesFrackinJack [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    This makes me so sad, I was rooting so goddamn hard for them, their protests go hard. I hope this shit isn't being frauded

    • LovelySenpai [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Its not really that complicated, we had a huge wave of inmigrants coming into our country these last few years and that has changed the lives of Chileans everywhere, which isn't something most chileans are fond of. Some of these inmigrants, especially Venezuelans, have commited crimes and every TV news station has showcased them every day, all day, making it look as if we were in a war zone thanks to inmigration. Now people believe that they're in danger and the only ones who want to do something about it are those who won, in fact, Kast, the face of that group wanted to create ICE camps here, so people voted for them even if this is something completely different.

      My country is fucking over, i hate how everyone will complain about inequality, corruption and lack of opportunities but when they can do something, they throw it all away just to elect the most bloodthirsty motherfuckers because getting rid of venezuelans is the number 1 priority of my people.

    • motherofmonsters [she/her]
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      2 years ago

      The only thing that stands out to me is apparently turnout in 2021 was 43%, while 2023 had a turn out of 84%. You don’t usually see turn out doubling. America only got 7% more eligible people to vote in 2020 as opposed to 2016

    • Cherufe [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      If the goverment is frauding this they are doing a pretty shit job

  • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    Watch it be the exact same constitution but with slightly different words

  • Fishroot [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    I guess people like the ''libertarian'' part of Boric's Libertarian socialism