The idea that the unhoused are like pests, vermin, or some sort of inhuman blight is deeply disturbing. The very dehumanization of the poor is terrifying, seeing it in full force in real time is unsettling. The idea that someone make you feel uncomfortable (not even unsafe) gives you permission to bind them in a prone chokehold for 15 mins is some real dystopian Judge Dredd shit.
Don’t get me wrong the racism stuff isn’t lost upon me, the death of black men being seen as a “net positive” in America mainstream isn’t new. I still consider this a lynching of sorts, but his economic condition I think is the primary reason Amerikkka thinks it is okay he is dead. A dead black man in America is a bummer (at best), but a dead unhoused black man who made me feel icky is “justice”. That’s the larger problem.
I am not some appease white sensibility/respectability politics shit either, I am a saying this as a black man who understands the strange dance of race and economics in America. I am not trying to side-step race at all. This at the end of the day raw unadulterated white supremacy but not in the very obvious way one may think. It’s not just a case of a racist white man or whatever, to individualize this just as a “racist vigilante” really obfuscates the larger white supremacy at play here.
This is white supremacy manifest through the dehumanizing, demonizes, others, and all the other bad things of people and creates systems that legitimatize those attitudes and encourage (even rewards) those behaviors.
America is truly a death cult that they are forcing all to be a part of. Moloch and Mammon are Americas gods.
I hope Neely’s family get some support and some real justice. I know I’ll donate something.
I wish we just fuckin’ took care of people. Being too “poor” for basics of a decent life in an organized society is the greatest failure of this whole thing. Give medicine and care to the ill, give people a roof over their head and food in their belly. :fred-hampton: + :kropotkin-shining:
It's very strange how people here aren't focusing more on the racial aspect of this. IMO, this was mostly racial. Can you imagine some Black man choking a blonde chick to death out in public while a crowd of people just stood there doing nothing? I don't think there's any circumstance, outside of the Black man being a cop maybe, where people would just stood there and watch it happen while doing nothing. It doesn't matter if this blonde chick is homeless or looks like a crackhead or trailer trash or whatever. People would've absolutely done something. So why did they do nothing? Because he's Black and his murderer is white.
I could see it happening the same way if it was still a white man but a white woman victim if she was visibly homeless. I think you’re right that people would’ve stopped a black man from choking someone to death, but I think that would be true for any victim except maybe another black man.
It’s very strange how people here aren’t focusing more on the racial aspect of this. IMO, this was mostly racial. Can you imagine some Black man choking a blonde chick to death out in public while a crowd of people just stood there doing nothing? I don’t think there’s any circumstance, outside of the Black man being a cop maybe, where people would just stood there and watch it happen while doing nothing.
Respectfully, I can't imagine such a scenario. I'm not trying to be an edgelord, not trying to stop the conversation, nothin' like that. In fact, I would like to continue talking about this (even though it's a rather uncomfortable, complex and nuanced hypothetical), but I can't imagine such a scenario happening. Could a situation happen? Certainly, but I can't imagine a black man (or at the very least none that I know) putting a white person, in a public space, in a chokehold for 15 minutes. Unless there was noticeably clear and present damage (a gun, a knife, something spooky), I can't see that level of committed violence happening in a public space by choice.
Again not trying to shut you down or anything like that, but my larger put is that white supremacy isn't just poor black man vs vigilante white man, it's more than. My point I hope I'm making is, that the black reasons why the black man is poor are the greater threat to black people than individual man horrific act. The many failings that put Neely on the streets are the things are the great threat to Black men.
I really hope this comes across as constructive and conversational, not trying to block you or do some weird internet sharp witted shit. I respect you bring up the point.
(This all of the top of the dome by the way, pardon my grammar, typed this on my break)
The idea that the unhoused are like pests, vermin, or some sort of inhuman blight is deeply disturbing. The very dehumanization of the poor is terrifying, seeing it in full force in real time is unsettling. The idea that someone make you feel uncomfortable (not even unsafe) gives you permission to bind them in a prone chokehold for 15 mins is some real dystopian Judge Dredd shit.
Don’t get me wrong the racism stuff isn’t lost upon me, the death of black men being seen as a “net positive” in America mainstream isn’t new. I still consider this a lynching of sorts, but his economic condition I think is the primary reason Amerikkka thinks it is okay he is dead. A dead black man in America is a bummer (at best), but a dead unhoused black man who made me feel icky is “justice”. That’s the larger problem.
I am not some appease white sensibility/respectability politics shit either, I am a saying this as a black man who understands the strange dance of race and economics in America. I am not trying to side-step race at all. This at the end of the day raw unadulterated white supremacy but not in the very obvious way one may think. It’s not just a case of a racist white man or whatever, to individualize this just as a “racist vigilante” really obfuscates the larger white supremacy at play here.
This is white supremacy manifest through the dehumanizing, demonizes, others, and all the other bad things of people and creates systems that legitimatize those attitudes and encourage (even rewards) those behaviors.
America is truly a death cult that they are forcing all to be a part of. Moloch and Mammon are Americas gods.
I hope Neely’s family get some support and some real justice. I know I’ll donate something.
I wish we just fuckin’ took care of people. Being too “poor” for basics of a decent life in an organized society is the greatest failure of this whole thing. Give medicine and care to the ill, give people a roof over their head and food in their belly. :fred-hampton: + :kropotkin-shining:
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what are liberals supposed to do about the problem? they can't expropriate housing or acknowledge that racism is structural
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they can't even acknowledge poverty is structural
They acknowledge it but never match that with a structural solution, at least not one that isn't means tested to death
It's very strange how people here aren't focusing more on the racial aspect of this. IMO, this was mostly racial. Can you imagine some Black man choking a blonde chick to death out in public while a crowd of people just stood there doing nothing? I don't think there's any circumstance, outside of the Black man being a cop maybe, where people would just stood there and watch it happen while doing nothing. It doesn't matter if this blonde chick is homeless or looks like a crackhead or trailer trash or whatever. People would've absolutely done something. So why did they do nothing? Because he's Black and his murderer is white.
I could see it happening the same way if it was still a white man but a white woman victim if she was visibly homeless. I think you’re right that people would’ve stopped a black man from choking someone to death, but I think that would be true for any victim except maybe another black man.
Respectfully, I can't imagine such a scenario. I'm not trying to be an edgelord, not trying to stop the conversation, nothin' like that. In fact, I would like to continue talking about this (even though it's a rather uncomfortable, complex and nuanced hypothetical), but I can't imagine such a scenario happening. Could a situation happen? Certainly, but I can't imagine a black man (or at the very least none that I know) putting a white person, in a public space, in a chokehold for 15 minutes. Unless there was noticeably clear and present damage (a gun, a knife, something spooky), I can't see that level of committed violence happening in a public space by choice.
Again not trying to shut you down or anything like that, but my larger put is that white supremacy isn't just poor black man vs vigilante white man, it's more than. My point I hope I'm making is, that the black reasons why the black man is poor are the greater threat to black people than individual man horrific act. The many failings that put Neely on the streets are the things are the great threat to Black men.
I really hope this comes across as constructive and conversational, not trying to block you or do some weird internet sharp witted shit. I respect you bring up the point.
(This all of the top of the dome by the way, pardon my grammar, typed this on my break)
Doesn't your response that you literally can't see the situation occuring lend credence to the idea that a huge part of this is racial?
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I think they just don't get what a counterfactual is