Meanwhile, a crowdfunding campaign set up to support Neely’s family has raised just $123,000.
The idea that the unhoused are like pests, vermin, or some sort of inhuman blight is deeply disturbing. The very dehumanization of the poor is terrifying, seeing it in full force in real time is unsettling. The idea that someone make you feel uncomfortable (not even unsafe) gives you permission to bind them in a prone chokehold for 15 mins is some real dystopian Judge Dredd shit.
Don’t get me wrong the racism stuff isn’t lost upon me, the death of black men being seen as a “net positive” in America mainstream isn’t new. I still consider this a lynching of sorts, but his economic condition I think is the primary reason Amerikkka thinks it is okay he is dead. A dead black man in America is a bummer (at best), but a dead unhoused black man who made me feel icky is “justice”. That’s the larger problem.
I am not some appease white sensibility/respectability politics shit either, I am a saying this as a black man who understands the strange dance of race and economics in America. I am not trying to side-step race at all. This at the end of the day raw unadulterated white supremacy but not in the very obvious way one may think. It’s not just a case of a racist white man or whatever, to individualize this just as a “racist vigilante” really obfuscates the larger white supremacy at play here.
This is white supremacy manifest through the dehumanizing, demonizes, others, and all the other bad things of people and creates systems that legitimatize those attitudes and encourage (even rewards) those behaviors.
America is truly a death cult that they are forcing all to be a part of. Moloch and Mammon are Americas gods.
I hope Neely’s family get some support and some real justice. I know I’ll donate something.
I wish we just fuckin’ took care of people. Being too “poor” for basics of a decent life in an organized society is the greatest failure of this whole thing. Give medicine and care to the ill, give people a roof over their head and food in their belly. :fred-hampton: + :kropotkin-shining:
what are liberals supposed to do about the problem? they can't expropriate housing or acknowledge that racism is structural
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They acknowledge it but never match that with a structural solution, at least not one that isn't means tested to death
It's very strange how people here aren't focusing more on the racial aspect of this. IMO, this was mostly racial. Can you imagine some Black man choking a blonde chick to death out in public while a crowd of people just stood there doing nothing? I don't think there's any circumstance, outside of the Black man being a cop maybe, where people would just stood there and watch it happen while doing nothing. It doesn't matter if this blonde chick is homeless or looks like a crackhead or trailer trash or whatever. People would've absolutely done something. So why did they do nothing? Because he's Black and his murderer is white.
I could see it happening the same way if it was still a white man but a white woman victim if she was visibly homeless. I think you’re right that people would’ve stopped a black man from choking someone to death, but I think that would be true for any victim except maybe another black man.
It’s very strange how people here aren’t focusing more on the racial aspect of this. IMO, this was mostly racial. Can you imagine some Black man choking a blonde chick to death out in public while a crowd of people just stood there doing nothing? I don’t think there’s any circumstance, outside of the Black man being a cop maybe, where people would just stood there and watch it happen while doing nothing.
Respectfully, I can't imagine such a scenario. I'm not trying to be an edgelord, not trying to stop the conversation, nothin' like that. In fact, I would like to continue talking about this (even though it's a rather uncomfortable, complex and nuanced hypothetical), but I can't imagine such a scenario happening. Could a situation happen? Certainly, but I can't imagine a black man (or at the very least none that I know) putting a white person, in a public space, in a chokehold for 15 minutes. Unless there was noticeably clear and present damage (a gun, a knife, something spooky), I can't see that level of committed violence happening in a public space by choice.
Again not trying to shut you down or anything like that, but my larger put is that white supremacy isn't just poor black man vs vigilante white man, it's more than. My point I hope I'm making is, that the black reasons why the black man is poor are the greater threat to black people than individual man horrific act. The many failings that put Neely on the streets are the things are the great threat to Black men.
I really hope this comes across as constructive and conversational, not trying to block you or do some weird internet sharp witted shit. I respect you bring up the point.
(This all of the top of the dome by the way, pardon my grammar, typed this on my break)
Doesn't your response that you literally can't see the situation occuring lend credence to the idea that a huge part of this is racial?
This is the one that broke me.
I honestly mean it. This nation is so cruel. The people so hateful. How could we be anything better?
It’s been weeks and I can’t get out of the rut this lynching and the poplar reaction to it have created In my soul.
If you want to look at the bright side, not saying you should but if you want to, I think things like this are not exactly accurate as a representation of a "popular movement" per se, simply because this online donation stuff tend to be dominated by big whale donations and many small token donations.
The article mentions 40k donations so about $50 average which I believe is not trivial to throw away just based on ideology.
So yeah maybe this is really just capturing the most :frothingfash: of part of the audience. I know probably stupid and meaningless so yeah it sucks.
:doomer:
I haven't heard much about it outside of twitter. No idea what the popukar sentiment actually is.
I heard about it from most relatives, a few friends. I assume it’s basic conservative talking points now.
What's so maddening about today's neo-fascism is that it's all dog whistles and nods and winks to the audience. To come right out and say "hitler was right and good" is political and career suicide so the right traffics in cases that are muddy to the general public. To the left the ex-marine is a racist goon killer but the right can champion him as a hero of working people sticking up for defenseless subway riders who got assaulted. They make it so that you're the crazy person for pointing out the racism, you're "woke", while they wink to the audience that white makes right and we're securing a future for white babies :stalin-stressed:
The Neoliberalism of the Far-Right: Like all institutions, it can no longer directly run anything, it can only incentivize sporadic far-right terrorism.
Nobody is saying out loud: "We'll pay you to kill homeless people," but they are making sure everybody who goes viral for doing so will imagine themselves a celebrity instead of a criminal.
Any "other" at this point, all you need is an ounce of doubt and you'll be paraded. Rittenhouse, Zimmerman, Goetz. It's all been done before.
This shit really reads like crowdfunded stochastic terrorism
i'm just thinking about how
gofundmethe gofundme economy went from crowdfunding healthcare and funerals to funding and defending murderers, as if the former wasn't pathetic enough. :angery:gofundme actually bans fundraising for violent acts. This prick is crowdfunding on givesendgo.
Only temporarily, those inspired by this crime won't see anywhere near this level of recompense.
yeah but them getting less coverage will also make that take a while to be noticed
I don't think racism is the correct tack to take here honestly. He may or may not be racist I have no idea, but liberals and CHUDs aren't united in hatred of black people, they're united in their hatred of poor people. This is a war being fought in cities with little to no race difference between the rich and the homeless, they're homicidal all the same.
IDK believe what you want honestly, but I think if you're in discussion with people and chalk it up to race you might be dismissed as not being "serious" - it's harder to argue that liberals and CHUDs aren't constitutionally opposed to giving poor and homeless populations opportunity to live a dignified life.
I think racial undertones are always a factor. And I have no doubt this story would be playing different with a white victim instead.
However you've hit the issue squarely. This isn't a (public) case of a black person being murdered. It's the case of an untouchable being removed. Liberals are fine with it.
Just like they're fine with the zone being removed in Phoenix. And they're fine with making homelessness a crime. All the while being a couple paychecks away. I speak for myself here. I make more money than my parents ever have. And in this moment now I'm the closest I've ever been to homelessness.
It's still very racialized for the time being. Had Neely been white, I'm assuming a very similar reaction would be witnessed but there would not be so many publicly defending the killer.
they hated him enough to kill him for being poor but they hate him more for being black and poor
I don’t think racism is the correct tack to take here honestly. He may or may not be racist I have no idea, but liberals and CHUDs aren’t united in hatred of black people, they’re united in their hatred of poor people. This is a war being fought in cities with little to no race difference between the rich and the homeless, they’re homicidal all the same.
This shit would absolutely not happen if their race were reversed. The NYPD would've 100% hunt down the murderer for sport and blew his brains out. I would even bet the passengers wouldn't have passively stood by but instead prevent the murder from taking place. I've seen enough videos and Tiktoks where some white dipshit is verbally and physically harassing some POC while everyone else around them don't do shit, but as soon as the POC starts standing up for themselves and throwing hands, suddenly, everyone wants to larp as a boxing referee. It's not just people hating the poor and homeless but people hating Black people as well, and if you're homeless and Black, well, some mayo can look forward to $2M for killing you.
The issue plainly is not just the city itself and the views of the people there, but how the media outside the city is reporting on it and how people outside the city are reacting to it.
It’s not full career suicide. They keep edging closer to what they mean and want.
I mean for mainstream appeal it is but if you want to become a celeb on the right and grift then for sure.
Every time a right wing grifter does well, it gives clearance for others to do the same.
To come right out and say “hitler was right and good” is political and career suicide
come to think of it, how is Kanye's career nowadays? I haven't heard from him in a bit
I think his career is dead in the water. He got dropped from all his clothing deals and his school closed.
To come right out and say “hitler was right and good” is political and career suicide so the right traffics in cases that are muddy to the general public
I assure you you will miss that mask if they ever take it off
To come right out and say “hitler was right and good”
The Magic of Hitler is that you can just slap his face on anyone's shoulders and make them the villains. Conservatives don't need to say "Hitler was Good". They just say "Malcolm X was Hitler" and "Fred Thompson was Hitler" and "Nicholas Maduro is Hitler" and "Jeremy Corbyn is Hitler".
I'm sure there are pictures of Neely, getting strangled on the subway in front of a crowd of gawkers, with Hitler's face plastered over the top.
They make it so that you’re the crazy person for pointing out the racism, you’re “woke”, while they wink to the audience that white makes right and we’re securing a future for white babies
Its smug winks and wry nods, until Daniel Penny gets arreigned. Then you get dudes in white robes throwing rocks through court house windows.
Like, say what you will about Jan 6th, but it wasn't a subtle display of white nationalism. And that shit's going to keep happening, every time enough conservative media heads decide to prod their audience all at once.
the only person who isn't hitler is hitler. he was simply playing devil's advocate. just asking questions.
I just witnessed a piece of shit cuss out a visibly pregnant woman at a fast food restaurant telling her that she should be "fired or replaced" after he made his order through a computer. This country is deeply deeply disturbed the way people treat folks they think are lower class than them. I wish I was the Hulk and I would have crushed that man's skull like in Mandy.
you don't need to be the hulk to tell someone they're acting like an asshole. chances are once one person tells them it's not gonna fly a crowd will back them up. it's just that most people don't want to be the first one to step up.
I gotta admit I do get legitimately worried that an unhinged chud will pull out a gun in this situation. As a black person who’s not physically small I’m sure there’s a not insignificant chance that some chud having a screaming match in public would feel justified doing so.
The fact that I may in fact wish I could crush their skull like an egg doesn’t make it justifiedyeah a gun could for sure come out in a situation like that but that's amerikkka for you. use your judgement ofc
you don’t need to be the hulk to tell someone they’re acting like an asshole.
The subsequent headline reads "Customer shot dead at Wendy's following argument over shake", and it's not referring to the person yelling.
I can't say I'm surprised that supporters of executing a homeless person have more money than... Well, everybody
I didn't see Death Race 2000 for what it was when I first watched it.
But now I get it.
:doomjak:
Great movie too. Solid. You expect it to suck but then it turns out to be a blast.
I just rewatched They Live! For the first time in decades and for a movie with a ten minute alley wrestling scene, it's pretty good. There was a lot of good social commentary movies back before the Greed is Good crowd really took over the big screen.
The 10 minute alley wrestling scene made so so much more sense once I became a communist.
Got it on now. Quite the watch.
spoiler
The nazi just detoured. :duck-dance:
America is not a Christian country but a satanic one.
Death to America.
Don't besmirch the Light Bringer with your apologist reframing. Death to God and death to America. Cathar gang rise up!
yeah bro we've had all those satanist politicians pandering to a satanic populace for 250 years bro
the vast majority of harm done in and by this place has been done by christians and the worst of it has the literally supposed to be illegal endorsement of pastors preaching that god sent george w bush and donald trump.
In reality they worship the demiurge. Gnostic gang rise up
I’m surprised there isn’t more reactionary crowd funding platforms to be honest.
Only a matter of time before they start pre-funding murders.
There was a site called "Hatreon" but it has been inactive since Visa pulled the plug on processing payments for them. Created by the "crypto-anarchist" Cody Wilson, more commonly known for founding Defense Distributed, that 3D printed gun thing.
I think the worst part about this is that this guy is a marine. So you know he felt fucking nothing after he heard he killed Neely
Can’t help but see this escalating into a far more bleak territory. Like right wing goons setting up funds for people who claim they’re going to do something before it actually happens…
Something inside of me feels like it's broken in the past few years and I'm starting to hone in on just how all this public cruelty is affecting me. After hospitals overflowing with corpses were met with demands to end all public health mandates ended, all the shit in between, and now this? It's no wonder I have no hope for the future or finding my place in the world. I don't want a place in a world this unrelentingly cruel.
