i have a tech job and they've been trying to replace HR and management with automation since the pandemic started and it's been an absolute disaster lol
Lol my brother's work got that. It apparently made doing everything 3x more complicated and just added tons of random annoyances like not letting him book days off more than one pay period in advance.
Yeah the UI is not great. We had peoplesoft which at least showed breadcrumbs to know where you were but it’s all hidden now and it has unexpected new tab vs new window behavior. Go live was literally yesterday and apparently shit broke already
Panopticon Effect has been known to cause misery and stress, even when not actually observed. I think by this point the ruling class sees that as a feature. :capitalist-laugh:
People recognize this already when discussing menial things like dress codes. Few large companies have actual, delineated dress codes (barring safety stuff) but people know they have to dress a certain way because of implied social pressure especially pressure from above
"No hierarchy" offices are insidious like that, because there is still a hierarchy but it's vague and all about the vibes of the top asshole in the room.
Afaik it’s a newer type of HR system that has logic and additional analytics to give the company more insights into performance and whatnot. It’s all dystopian when you see that a black box is determining your ability to retain employment or get hired in the first place. These systems have existed but the evolution is just the intensification and generalized use of them
I'm sure with sufficient will and desire from the owning class, they could make it somewhat work especially if they've already replaced most of the workers.
I tend to stand by pretty much all workers, but I see most management under capitalism as a parasitic petite bourgeoisie capstone holding the cage of labor together.
i think if it was designed by someone who knew the ins and outs of the various jobs people do for my company, it would work okay after they worked the kinks out but it appears the owners of the company outsourced it to someone who doesn't understand anything about it. for example, different people work different hours depending on what your role is but last fall the system unilaterally decided to lock out everyone that worked full time (>30 hrs a week) and everyone that worked less than 20 hours a week.
there was also some AI generated wage theft but I'm not convinced that wasn't on purpose.
They’re doing this to middle management as we speak especially since some frontline work areas have consistently reduced staffing through automation or outsourcing or both which basically eliminates a prescribed span of control for managers and directors. If they can’t justify the positions beneath them then they can’t justify themselves to the organization. As always it’s the snake eating its own ass
Imo, the goodness of automation is fully dependent on the security of the workers displaced by the automation process. I think there’s a tendency to assume that prioritizing the automation of jobs starting with the jobs whose conditions are worst, but in reality automation is only used to weaken workers’ bargaining power. High turnover and regular “restructuring” hides the natural cruelty of maintaining the reserve army of labor behind the abstraction of a market (which is all that markets are really good for anyway) and the capitalists get to have it both ways. They know that mass layoffs are inciting incidents for labor solidarity, so instead of replacing entire teams with machines, they bring the machines in, cut people’s hours, and let them quit one at a time over months. Or maybe they build a new factory that’s fully automated and close one that isn’t so everyone blames “China stealing our jobs”. There are so many tricks to hide the cruelty.
I think we can find some solace in the existence of bullshit jobs. The idea that there is still fat to be cut from the system in order to keep everybody employed. But who knows how long that will last as everything becomes gig work?
I kind of hope this means the indie scene grows even larger when all the creative types get kicked out of the bigger studios in favor of shitty AI material. Maybe get a successful United Artists sort of thing going on for other industries.
I hope we're on the cusp of new subcultures that turn away from the internet and go back to doing things in person. Because if we aren't, shit is about to get real bleak
It's very easy to easy prove when your expensive fast food robots aren't performing. It's much harder in the bullshit prone creative and knowledge economies where the end products are so subjective and honestly low risk for the investor.
I'm all in favor of automating shit like fast food work etc. but seeing this tech take over creative fields is absolutely despicable.
It could potentially replace just about all of management but that'll be the last to go, if it goes at all, for reasons. :cap-think:
i have a tech job and they've been trying to replace HR and management with automation since the pandemic started and it's been an absolute disaster lol
We just got a new HR system called Workday 😬
Lol my brother's work got that. It apparently made doing everything 3x more complicated and just added tons of random annoyances like not letting him book days off more than one pay period in advance.
Yeah the UI is not great. We had peoplesoft which at least showed breadcrumbs to know where you were but it’s all hidden now and it has unexpected new tab vs new window behavior. Go live was literally yesterday and apparently shit broke already
Panopticon Effect has been known to cause misery and stress, even when not actually observed. I think by this point the ruling class sees that as a feature. :capitalist-laugh:
People recognize this already when discussing menial things like dress codes. Few large companies have actual, delineated dress codes (barring safety stuff) but people know they have to dress a certain way because of implied social pressure especially pressure from above
"No hierarchy" offices are insidious like that, because there is still a hierarchy but it's vague and all about the vibes of the top asshole in the room.
“My door is always open…”
"You're my family!" :capitalist-laugh:
(not even wrong there, considering how narcissists treat their biological families as it is)
TRUTH
That just means they want you to work for free.
I absolutely fucking HATE Workday. It's such a broken piece of shit.
Get ready for random ERRORs because ... checks notes ... you input all the information in correctly.
I fucking hate Workday:fuckin-deserve:
Legit one of the most awful pieces of software I've ever had to deal with. And since I'm a supervisor at my job I have to use it a lot.
All of our talent acquisition, performance evaluations, development is gonna be through it now 💀
Please tell me more about that horror. My Gellar field is up. :sus-torment:
Afaik it’s a newer type of HR system that has logic and additional analytics to give the company more insights into performance and whatnot. It’s all dystopian when you see that a black box is determining your ability to retain employment or get hired in the first place. These systems have existed but the evolution is just the intensification and generalized use of them
Sounds like the Amazon Fulfillment Center tumor has metastasized. :lord-bezos-amused:
Every Fucking tech company is following the Amazon “productivity” model these days
Hell on earth
Inhuman Resources :kelly:
:order-of-lenin:
Great show
I'm sure with sufficient will and desire from the owning class, they could make it somewhat work especially if they've already replaced most of the workers.
I tend to stand by pretty much all workers, but I see most management under capitalism as a parasitic petite bourgeoisie capstone holding the cage of labor together.
i think if it was designed by someone who knew the ins and outs of the various jobs people do for my company, it would work okay after they worked the kinks out but it appears the owners of the company outsourced it to someone who doesn't understand anything about it. for example, different people work different hours depending on what your role is but last fall the system unilaterally decided to lock out everyone that worked full time (>30 hrs a week) and everyone that worked less than 20 hours a week.
there was also some AI generated wage theft but I'm not convinced that wasn't on purpose.
They’re doing this to middle management as we speak especially since some frontline work areas have consistently reduced staffing through automation or outsourcing or both which basically eliminates a prescribed span of control for managers and directors. If they can’t justify the positions beneath them then they can’t justify themselves to the organization. As always it’s the snake eating its own ass
Ranchers of the face-eating leopards surprised when sufficient leopards break loose from the pens and eat their faces :surprised-pika:
Imo, the goodness of automation is fully dependent on the security of the workers displaced by the automation process. I think there’s a tendency to assume that prioritizing the automation of jobs starting with the jobs whose conditions are worst, but in reality automation is only used to weaken workers’ bargaining power. High turnover and regular “restructuring” hides the natural cruelty of maintaining the reserve army of labor behind the abstraction of a market (which is all that markets are really good for anyway) and the capitalists get to have it both ways. They know that mass layoffs are inciting incidents for labor solidarity, so instead of replacing entire teams with machines, they bring the machines in, cut people’s hours, and let them quit one at a time over months. Or maybe they build a new factory that’s fully automated and close one that isn’t so everyone blames “China stealing our jobs”. There are so many tricks to hide the cruelty.
I think we can find some solace in the existence of bullshit jobs. The idea that there is still fat to be cut from the system in order to keep everybody employed. But who knows how long that will last as everything becomes gig work?
I kind of hope this means the indie scene grows even larger when all the creative types get kicked out of the bigger studios in favor of shitty AI material. Maybe get a successful United Artists sort of thing going on for other industries.
I hope we're on the cusp of new subcultures that turn away from the internet and go back to doing things in person. Because if we aren't, shit is about to get real bleak
It's very easy to easy prove when your expensive fast food robots aren't performing. It's much harder in the bullshit prone creative and knowledge economies where the end products are so subjective and honestly low risk for the investor.