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You would think "intelligence" officials would understand how large space is and how comparatively tiny our radio bubble is. Aliens showing up to earth would be like me walking to the other side of the planet to find a specific carbon atom.
As (potentially) cool as it would be to have hard evidence of extraterrestrial life visiting earth, I'm inclined to believe the same.
The only situation I could envision this being true would be some nearby civilization (on a galactic scale) sending out millions of small probes, but even then, any civilization with the technology and means to do that probably wouldn't need the probe to actually land on the planet to gather whatever data they wanted. I think if faster-than-light travel were possible, we would have been large-scale visited already.
One way that we could potentially detect another advanced civilization without direct communication would be if they built a Dyson sphere, but due to the speed of light we would be watching it happen hundreds or thousands of years in the past.
you'd also have to observe the process over centuries or millenia as it would be built. So were we are at right now basically for the next 100 years if we're staring consistently
You've packed in a whole lot of assumptions there. You assume they're even looking for radio and don't have some other means of detecting life. You're also assuming they or we are very rare, maybe there's both lots of aliens and lots of undeveloped civilizations like ours. Maybe they have hyperdrive and can zap from one end of the galaxy to the other quickly.
I think we have too many unknown unknowns in our models of the universe to assume this or that about alien life.
Ironically you've packed in more assumptions, seemingly based on things that are currently pure Sci-Fi.
All I'm saying is that intelligent life is likely rare enough that there won't be any within easy reach of us. There are 200 billion stars in our galaxy, it's likely we share it with someone. But the galaxy is 105,000 light years across, and our bubble, radio or otherwise, is only 218 light years. The likelihood of them finding us among 200 billion systems when we are, as far as we know, completely unobservable to anything but our closest possible neighbors, is astronomically tiny.
Anyone with sufficiently advanced technology to not only find us, but get to us, is advanced enough to do so without leaving evidence of having been here.
Anyone with sufficiently advanced technology to not only find us, but get to us, is advanced enough to do so without leaving evidence of having been here.
True, they might not care if we see them tho, or maybe they want to be seen to an extent. What I'm saying is no assumption is really better than the other because the possibility space is huge and we don't really have a solid idea what's more and less likely.
It becomes even less likely by orders of magnitude when you consider the timescales involved. Humans as a species have only existed for a few hundred thousand years on a planet that is 4.5 billion years old. And written human history only begins about 6 thousand years ago. Even if aliens somehow came to earth, what are the chances they would land during the .00001% of its existence when humanity had the capability of understanding what they saw and could document it properly?
The timescales can work in the other direction as well - a self replicating Von Neumann probe could have a presence in every star system within a million years or so, even while traveling at sublight speeds.
All that you say is true. Nonetheless what do you do when an archeological dig unearths these objects made of inexplicable materials that we are not able to replicate with the highest technology we have on Earth?
this person's a right winger. she's been posting the dumbest shit for about a week now.
I like her reasoning down below where she says they keep it secret because they don't want unstoppable weapons. yeah, sure. the military would hate to have those
What, the materials? Well obviously we don't know. But materials that defy the laws of physics as we know them. For example, being able to make sudden high G turns without slowing down or killing the living beings inside by squashing them against the walls.
XCOM had Elerium-115, and it's long been conjectured that element 115, unlike all the other high atomic number elements, is stable. Who knows what alloys can be made with it? It's enough to keep science occupied for as long as they've been preoccupied with computer chips.
you've mistaken bad science fiction for reality, don't do that
Evidence supporting ancient aliens is purposefully misleading and based on conjecture to support preconceived biases. If you're interested I would recommend the channel "Minuteman" on YouTube who goes through these types of arguments and explains why they are false and what they're leaving out because it doesn't support ancient aliens. Many times what we find is that ancient aliens claims are based on eurocentric notions that non-western cultures would not have been able to achieve what they did
I'm bookmarking this comment to come back to when the announcements are made.
I used to be with the "debunkers" until I saw that it's just an emotional release for them to point at The Other and say, "you're WRONG!" I used to love the Amazing Randi when he would appear on Johnny Carson but when I started reading his stuff it all fell apart for me.
See, you're talking about the crazy UFO cult types while this new evidence is about actual materials of craft recovered. It's easy and emotionally fulfilling to debunk the cult types. They're so cringe. They were the best tool the government ever had to keep people from believing the truth.
you chose to become more gullible because you found critical thinking too smug?
See? This is the kind of reaction the "debunkers" have. It's this spiteful, sarcastic throwing rotten tomatoes at The Other that turned me off of their worldview.
All I have to say is, a lot of things people such as Lazar have been saying for a long time seem are being repeated by these highly credible government officials. For the past few years they've been leaking info bit by bit to get us psychologically ready for the "we are not alone" moment.
How often does one need to go through debunking a deeply unjustified and chauvinistic ideology before they don't need to take it seriously out of a sense of decorum?
"Highly credible government officials"
Have we been observing the same government?
I'm really kinda doubtful? I feel like the phenomenon of UFOs really took off after the Air Force was formed, and the military is deeply involved with Hollywood. It seems like a way to just keep fundraising.
For sure not ruling out that the bulk of UAP sightings over the years have been black project aircraft from skunk works. But I mean on the other hand, people have been sighting things for a very long time. My mom saw one when she was a kid and it still spooked her as a adult when she told me the story. I think there's just a lot of grifters in the UFO "community" looking to peddle bullshit.
He said he reported to Congress on the existence of a decades-long “publicly unknown Cold War for recovered and exploited physical material – a competition with near-peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes/landings and retrieve the material for exploitation/reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defense advantages.”
This is what tears it for me. This is exactly what Bob Lazar said: they keep these craft top secret because if they can reverse engineer and build them, they will gain "asymmetric national defense advantages" i.e. unstoppable weapons. You can just fly one into the Kremlin and blow up Putin and nobody can stop you. It's more about materials science than anything else. Not just returning these craft to service - it's about being able to build new ones.
“Individuals on these UAP programs approached me in my official capacity and disclosed their concerns regarding a multitude of wrongdoings, such as illegal contracting against the Federal Acquisition Regulations and other criminality and the suppression of information across a qualified industrial base and academia,” he stated.
Typical deep state behavior. Laws apply to everyone but themselves. Makes the whole thing more credible.
“His assertion concerning the existence of a terrestrial arms race occurring sub-rosa over the past eighty years focused on reverse engineering technologies of unknown origin is fundamentally correct, as is the indisputable realization that at least some of these technologies of unknown origin derive from non-human intelligence,”
See?
A lot of people are going to have a really hard time dealing with these new disclosures. It's going to mean UFO people, who are right down there with bicyclers and vegans in the groups that the fancy people really enjoy dumping on, were right and that the fancy people were wrong. They're going to have their demeaning words dug up and thrown in their faces. It's going to be a bitter pill to swallow and it's going to stick in their throats. We should see some entertaining emotional meltdowns in the pages of the New York Times and The Atlantic, though.
bicyclers and vegans don't believe patently incorrect things, so there's a major difference.
He said he reported to Congress on the existence of a decades-long “publicly unknown Cold War for recovered and exploited physical material – a competition with near-peer adversaries over the years to identify UAP crashes/landings and retrieve the material for exploitation/reverse engineering to garner asymmetric national defense advantages.”
Regardless of whether or not anything comes from this disclosure, that would make an awesome book or movie. You don't even need to have any aliens present, just ancient craft dig sites and whatnot.
I believe this whole-heartedly and will not be asking any follow up questions. Thank you.
Plot twist: it's a MIG, but the process of dehumanization is done that Russian planes are not human-made anymore.
Going behind six layers of heavily armed security and biometric ID verification to find an orangutan putting together a wagon they bought at WalMart
The craziest thing I found was that XCOM2: Terror from the Deep was actually based on these stories of UFOs appearing around the poles, flying to apparently random spots in the ocean and then diving underwater to destinations unknown.
Fun creative writing exercise for sure. It's given away by the fact that the writer isn't American though. A couple of britishisms come through (op might not be british, but either way it's british english) which just makes it really obvious that it's fake.
Also the story kinda falls apart if you think about it. They can't prove who they are because they're scared of retaliation from the government (the government which is largely in the dark about aliens, mind) but they can babble all day and night about extremely specific details about the aliens?
Wow, cool. Good find! No idea if any of this is real, but it agrees with some of the other things we know, such as being based in the ocean.
I think it's really interesting how you're immediately willing to accept pro-UFO evidence that completely conflicts with the other pro-UFO evidence provided here, but immediately refute entirely coherent and consistent anti-UFO evidence. Almost like you're more attached to the idea of UFOs than the material reality of truth.
God X'marhopth the alien could drive a saucer :biden-forgor:
"Alright, we'll go see him together." :biden-forgor:
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We live in a world where half the people on the planet walk around with high-def video and still cameras in their pockets. Where's my alien photos, ufologists?
Even pictures of regular planes look like ass even on modern phones unless you really know what you're doing. Most people probably wouldn't be able to either react quickly enough to take a good video or picture or have it turn out well even if they had time to react.
to be fair most phones have no zoom. But there are phones with 3x optical so...
90% of that article is trying to establish credibility, which I suppose is respectable, but also exhausting
I've been following the subject for more than a decade and the topic matter is incredibly full of kooks (with some genuine good quality researchers here and there, Vallée for example). That's likely why the article goes to all this trouble.
And as someone that has followed the subject, it had been clear for a while that:
- The phenomenon is real
- It's not intentionally produced by humans / the actions of a state actor or similar
- It shows behaviour inconsistent with a natural phenomenon
But I wouldn't have bet at all any sort of "materials" had been recovered by anyone; very little that is genuine credible info tended to suggest it. This new bombshell is either incredible or a gigantic psyop (such psyops most definitely have happened in regards to that subject in the past).
It doesn't feel like a psyop though. The list of persons vetting for that guy covers more than the usual suspects.
(with some genuine good quality researchers here and there, Vallée for example)
I think Vallee is full of shit too tbh, although it's an uninformed opinion based on some excerpts of his books. It seems to me like he too often believes "witness" testimony and then spins his tales of control systems and interdimensial whatnot because really all you can do is make up some Marvel multiverse like lore if you want to piece together every cooky story you've heard. Also the case he based his last book on seems to be a hoax: https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/crash-story-the-trinity-ufo-crash-hoax/
I know the names of most UFO grifters and this guys' doesn't ring a bell. Doesn't mean he's not telling bullshit, these "former officials" pop up occasionally.
