https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1307061158113878016

    • TossedAccount [he/him]
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      4 年前

      Honestly I feel like learning anti-imperialism is a prerequisite for proper radicalization in the US, otherwise you end up a "social-imperialist" like the most liberal Bernie Sanders supporters, a neo-Strasserite Trump-supporting union guy, or a lumpen crypto trader praying to Andrew Yang for neetbux.

    • phimosis__jones [he/him]
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      4 年前

      The American Conservative and The National Interest are both consistently better on foreign policy (for wrong reasons) than Jacobin and The Intercept.

    • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
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      4 年前

      Being wrong is forgivable. Hedging on whether right or wrong is more personally profitable is not.

    • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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      4 年前

      I think he took a side eventually, like around the time of that debate where they tried to accuse Sanders of being a sexist.

      But yeah I agree broadly speaking.

  • Darkmatter2k [none/use name]
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    4 年前

    Sadly this is nothing new for him, Ryan Grim regularly falls for the latest imperial lie, he's definitely drinking from the US foreign policy consensus Kool-Aid on China and HongKong.

    • GVAGUY3 [he/him]
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      4 年前

      I feel like when you work at The Intercept, you are legally only able to use your brain for reporting, anything else you can't.

      • MolotovHalfEmpty [he/him]
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        4 年前

        Turning Jeremy Scahill from an investigative journalist who US generals threatened to assassinate into an obscure podcaster alone is proof that the Intercept is an op, deliberately or not.

    • Darkmatter2k [none/use name]
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      4 年前

      Nope, Glen Greenwald thought he needed a billionaire to back it, and they immediately began to fill that place up with climbers from NYT, WSJ, Boston Globe and WaPo..

    • MrBidenYourFired [he/him]
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      4 年前

      i don't know about "consistently good" but I think GG's takes are very ideologically consistent. Whether you agree with his framework or not he almost always applies his ideology consistently, and full disclosure I tend to agree with him more often than not

  • Poetjustice [he/him]
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    4 年前

    You know a lib has no actual logic in his response when he says shit like "wow people actually agree with this." Like yeah dumb ass.

    • captchaintherye [any]
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      4 年前

      Unsubscribed and unfollowed The Intercept on every platform when they published fucking James Risen's CIA sponsored Russia-gate hysterics over and over.

      There's only like two guys doing anything worthwhile at Intercept anymore and I can just follow them both on Twitter and see their writings that way. Apart from them, it's just another lib rag.

  • fojazone [any]
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    4 年前

    Anything to avoid admitting arrest totals and casualty numbers over the years have proven you are far more likely to get killed, maimed or imprisoned trying to do any real political change in the US than in China.

  • BeamBrain [he/him]
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    4 年前

    That take is probably considered reasonable because it is, in fact, reasonable.

  • AresUII [des/pair]
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    4 年前

    After all, there are no other Western countries.

    San Marino (2/100K incarceration)? You're pulling my leg!

    Liechtenstein (31/100K incarceration)? Not on my map!

    Iceland (37/100K incarceration)? It's called Alaska!

  • joshieecs [he/him,any]
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    4 年前

    to be fair to Ryan, this is part of a continuing conversation through quote tweets is having. it's still a bad take, but it's not quite as bad thinking it's out of the blue. i don't know how he ends up at this awful tweet -- what he was talking about to begin with was that China's domestic surveillance state being dystopian.

    https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1306953026574352385

    You can oppose all forms of surveillance, while also acknowledging that the Chinese government is using that power to discipline its population at a scale that is magnitudes beyond what happens here. A dissident there is taking graver risks than one here.

    imo he should have stopped tweeting at that one. i am not sure if he is right or wrong, but at least he hasn't lost grasp of a point. Ryan really out of his wheelhouse here. he should stick to talking about left electoralism. i consider myself a Grim fan, but this one is a real doozy.

    • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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      4 年前

      Remember that the intercept is full of chomskyites whose top priority is hardly different than that of the ACLU.

      Also a political dissident is taking greater risks in China than they are in the US. You can say whatever the fuck you want in the US, and it's why crazy shit like qanon happens, China would ban that shit asap.

      • mrbigcheese [he/him]
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        4 年前

        yeah you can say whatever the fuck you want in the US thats why famously the us government has never killed and oppressed dissidents and waged internal war against anyone that dare garner any actual opposition to the status quo lol

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          The US suppress political dissidents that materially challenge power from time to time for sure. But you're being willfully ignorant by arguing that China doesn't do this shit far more.

          There are avenues you can decent on things in China, but you can't just spread lies like you can in the US.

          • mrbigcheese [he/him]
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            4 年前

            "time to time" lol that's doing incredible disservice to the insane oppressions faced by people in this country over the past centuries.