A strong showing from Tesla and Polestar. Especially Tesla has been building the same 4 cars for almost a decade now and they still suck at quality.

  • Abraxiel
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    2 years ago

    You're telling me fucking dodge and ram are at the top of this list? That's wild to me.

  • GaveUp [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    JD Powers is one of those awards companies pay for

    They definitely biased the methodology to favor the top car manufacturers

    • anotherone [none/use name]
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      2 years ago

      Honda and Toyota are both around dead average which is really just ridiculous. They've got Hyundai, whose cars - if the engine doesn't kill itself or catch on fire, will be stolen by a 14 year old ahead of both.

      All the top spots being taken by FCA products should trigger a bribery investigation, honestly.

      • Farman [any]
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        2 years ago

        This is what i was thinking. Isnt toyota supossed to be the most reliable? First choice for militias everywhere?

        • anotherone [none/use name]
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          2 years ago

          I think it's fair to say it's between Toyota and Honda even today, although the hyper-computerization of vehicles has brought it down a bit IMO.

          Lexus (this is not Matt Farah's million mile Lexus), being Toyotas luxury brand, is pretty widely recognized as the best - they make many of the parts to even higher and more exacting specifications, but of course you do pay upfront and in some replacement part costs.

          Having Kia ahead of Lexus, when the Kia Boys exist, is just lols. I guess it's only one problem per car if you never see it again.

    • edge [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSBsq6HBBzw

  • TrudeauCastroson [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I think ranking either hours of service needed, or cost of service needed per year is probably more useful.

    Like, a cupholder breaking and a transmission replacement seem to both count as one problem in this ranking.

    Or maybe a "3/5 mechanics would never ever buy this brand" would be a good ranking. Like a reverse dentist-toothpaste rating.

  • AutoVomBizMarkee [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    https://www.motorbiscuit.com/jd-power-awards-joke-automotive-expert-claims/

    I will never believe that Chevy is anything more than pure trash. To be clear, I also believe Tesla is mega-trash

  • MF_COOM [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    I don't really understand this scale - problems per 100 vehicles and no model is under 100? What time frame is this for?

    • MF_COOM [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Also what counts as a problem? Is brake failure in the same category as a light needing replacement?

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    2 months ago

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  • KnilAdlez [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Not only should EVs be more reliable, due to fewer moving parts and not being powered by explosions, but they should be significantly cheaper as well. Tesla is a failure at all possible upsides an EV should bring.

    • CanYouFeelItMrKrabs [any, he/him]
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      2 years ago

      The average price of a new car in the US is just under $50k. So EV companies are making monstrous and expensive SUVs and trucks for Americans

      In India and China you'll find EVs that are smaller with shorter ranges but are perfect for cities

    • Albanian_Lil_Pump [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      I think it’s a purely American problem. China’s EV market is booming with a range of affordable models to the point that no one gives a shit about Teslas because domestic brands are more available and cheaper. I don’t know if it’s considered a luxury brand, but I think domestic models have that covered as well. I think China is also leading in the EV pickup truck line lol

  • Assian_Candor [comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    GM running the table

    I think this less a reflection on technology than on manufacturing quality. My experience with a plug in hybrid has been excellent it barely needs maintenance at all

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      2 years ago

      Yeah I mean once every auto manufacturer has an EV on the market I expect they'll be significantly more reliable than what Tesla's been shitting out

  • Parzivus [any]
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    2 years ago

    My parents used to own a Ford and got a Toyota later, I'm very skeptical of them being next to each other here, the Ford had way more issues. Maybe this counts any problem regardless of severity and I'm only remembering the bad ones?

    • booty [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      Yeah my understanding is that Toyota and Honda should be near the top of any list ranking cars by general "quality" in the way we would intuitively measure that. I'm very skeptical of this list.

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    It's funny that Alfa Romeo is so high up the list considering how they used to be known for having absolutely dogshit quality control back in the day.

  • fatman [none/use name]
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    2 years ago

    Too many anti-EV people fetishisize their ICE cars, clutches and so on so on. We need to build a world where owning a car is a pointless act.

  • abc [he/him, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    ain't no way in hell a Dodge or a Kia has less problems per 100 vehicles than any Toyota (outside of the Prius line)

    i'm supposed to believe that 100 ugly ass Kia Souls are going to have 20 less problems than 100 Toyota Corollas???

    force-choke-1 force-choke-2

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      1 year ago

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  • aaaaaaadjsf [he/him, comrade/them]
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    2 years ago

    Alfa Romeo is reliable now? That's quite a turnaround over the last decade or two, their cars used to break down constantly