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2006 - banned from being a planet
2024 - banned from hexbear
when will it end, dwarf planet bros?
Sucks because Pluto had helped me before gifting me food. Shame
:( I've only ever had a positive impression of their posts, though I haven't seen the extent of the modlog, if there are seven pages there may be good justification. Though if you're here Pluto reading this I think it's a shame. I don't want anyone banned aside from full-on reactionaries and fascists, but maybe I am too lenient.
Edit: looking at the modlog it makes sense, just surprised I suppose because of the interactions I've had
Likewise. I wonder how much of the overall positive impression is an outcome of the timely and judicious modding (in that, troublesome posts were removed quickly, leaving behind the more benign ones).
I don't want anyone banned aside from full-on reactionaries and fascists, but maybe I am too lenient
I agree but obviously the hexbear mod team doesn't, i've seen some wack ass bans over the last 4 years that seem extremely unnecessary, especially now that there's a block button
I've seen a lot of people compare Pluto to LiberalSocialist. I don't not believe that they are the same.
LiberalSocialist was fixated on posting and debating extremely online twitter discourse which received a lot of engagement because many other people seem to also enjoy doing that. LiberalSocialist was often reposting things from the D*stiny subreddit and exhibiting traits of a D*stiny fan.
To my knowledge, Pluto was not fixated on online discourse. Pluto seemed to mainly post about real life stuff, not online stuff. Pluto posted about orgs, particularly CPUSA as mentioned in the title. The reason that people seem to dislike Pluto is that Pluto asked people to exercise critical support towards the CPUSA.
Hexbear is aligned with the The Deprogram podcast. I know that multiple Hexbear mods also moderate The Deprogram reddit. Second Thought aka JT, one of the hosts of The Deprogram, is a member and promoter of CPUSA. Second Though has posted on hexbear and done an AMA, (maybe two?). Second Thought has even talked about Hexbear on the The Deprogram podcast.
This seems like a huge contradiction to me. You have one user who is hated for being a promoter of CPUSA and another guy who is beloved by Hexbear despite being a promoter of CPUSA.
I think the critical difference is JT doesn't push the CPUSA very much and JT has a solid grip on theory, whereas Pluto's attitude seemed to be entirely that of a social club member and they showed no ability to articulate why they supported CPUSA beyond making extremely absurd statements. Also the really annoying crossposting, cross-posting their crossposting into the news mega, etc. If they hadn't been so overbearing with the non-sequitur crossposting and they showed any ability to grapple with the actual criticisms of CPUSA they'd likely still be here. You can't make work for moderators all the time AND be annoyingly wrong all the time.
entirely that of a social club member
This is an absurd amount of projection, coming from the perspective of hexbear. Hexbear is a social club. You are a member of a social club. Look at the post history of the OP of this thread, it has no substance or any reference to leftism, just engagement baiting and shibboleths. When I look at the post history of Pluto, there is at least some substance and Pluto to me at least exhibited some understanding of socialist theory.
The entire front page of hexbear is constantly littered with gibberish inside baseball by like 10 people. For a brief period of time when Hexbear federated with lemmy, hexbear accidentally had a somewhat decent algorithm so that the front page wasn't littered with garbage posts all the time and what happened? The devs brought back the old algorithm which promotes spamming nonsense. This same algorithm is what allowed users like LiberalSocialist to gain so much engagement.
Here's JT's video promoting CPUSA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrnLyvZrdEw
Did you ever actually engage with Pluto on anything of substance?
Also, why are you comparing a shit posting forum with a political organization? Pretty bizarre choice.
Yeah, I was just digging through my screenshots to see if I could find any illustrations of Pluto's solid grasp of socialism
Here are two examples of Pluto's understanding of socialist theory:
https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/a9ca98a8-2ad3-484b-a9a9-4dc5e87f872f.png
https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/97c3239d-1582-4fa0-954b-2f26bd8c8c29.png
I've seen a lot of people compare Pluto to LiberalSocialist. I don't not believe that they are the same.
They are not the same, but both had history of throwing baseless accusations against users on this site as “patsocs” to the point of harassment and bullying. That alone should lead to a ban. There should never be any harassment on this site.
Otherwise their behavior, as ridiculous as they are, seem quite harmless if not a source of amusement to some of us here.
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But anyways, what is the deal here? My impression of Pluto was as a whole positive. Sometimes he was a bit of a dingus, sometimes he was a bit sussy, but overall my impression was positive. But the modlogs would indicate that he was just constantly acting a fool and getting into trouble here and there. So what gives?
check the modlog (there are 7 pages dedicated to him). but basically:
- kept being sectarian (expressing his dislike of Maoists, anarchists, etc.)
- kept posting and commenting in the wrong places (i'd say half of his modlog is just this)
- would crosspost to 10+ communities for every post
- seems to have instigated a lot of the arguments he had here
- was temp/perma banned many times (on different instances too) for all these reasons but despite apologising didn't change his ways
- and may have doxxed someone (check the modlog for this, a mod called him out on it)
but my impression of Pluto was initially positive too. feels weird seeing a fairly prominent Hexbear user be permanently banned, but wow he sounds like a lot for the mods to deal with and banning him seems more than justifiable to me now.
edit: doxxing point from here
What was the last straw? All of these violations seem like stuff that just gets deleted without much thought (duplicates, rule 8, etc) and some sectarianism which didn't seem that bad to me.
Actually, everyone except you is secretly Pluto, and always has been!
oh this one's a gem, a real "Pluto's Pluto" ya know?
I just love the realization slowly dawning on me that all the interactions I’ve ever had on here have been with one person with hundreds or thousands of alter egos. Makes me feel special.
I found him kind of annoying sometimes but I don't think he should've been banned, if we're going to ban people for defending an ML org that the majority of users dislike, then wtf is the point of the anti sectarianism rule. like people can bitch and moan about how he was sectarian towards maoists or whatever but the whole lifeblood of this site is sectarianism towards troskyites, leftcoms, maoists whenever they criticise north korea or modern day china, and anarchists under the the thin gaze of it only being about "reddit anarchists", like people here are even sectarian towards CPUSA despite it being ML itself
Ehhh. I considered him an annoyance, mostly because of the arguments I've had with him over CPUSA's tailism, and the generally-assimilationist oeuvre of the formation; but at the same time, it was easy to tune him out after a while, and he was a reliable turn-up to the em_poc generals. Kind of a shame, but also kinda not weepy about it bc while I might crosspost too, it's to only like. Three communities tops, and they all have smth to do with each other; I don't have ANYWHERE near the kind of patience to crosspost a dozen things to a dozen communities.
Sounds like man was being annoying, and chronic annoyance can be a demerit.
It looks like he was a repeat offender whose offenses were cleaned up before I saw them, but I always enjoyed his posts. Some just fly too close to the sun, I guess
i would have said fed but i think half the userbase and the hosts themselves are feds sooops forgot about the fedjacketing rule silly meAnother one bites the dust, eh?
Had some good talk with him, Idk why he had to go...
I only ever really got a negative impression of Pluto when you two interacted. Seemed like you had it out for each other, I don't understand why either of you haven't simply blocked the other. Apart from that Pluto seemed pretty nice from what I saw, but I can understand there's a large modlog, so I'm probably a minority at that.
