Or the lib to lib pipeline as it is also known.
Seen so many people here saying they found the original sub by seeing posts on other subs that seemed different to the usual discourse (eg criticising liberals from the left) and that led to them finding cth through post history or whatever.
That's not really gonna happen now and I imagine we'll get banned pretty quick if we start posting chapo.chat in r politics.
I think radicalising libs is one of the strengths of chapo.chat as it has a pretty inclusive and humorous vibe which other left subs dont really have, plus as many people face the choice between trump and biden amongst the chaos of 2020 they are starting to realise how little power and control they have over their own lives.
Not trying to hype up the importance of this place, it's ultimately just a niche corner of extremely online weirdos but it's the best thing I've found out there.
So how we gonna get the libs in? Harry potter reading group? Deep fakes of Elizabeth warren saying chapochat has a plan for that?
The thing that did it for me was thinking about small businesses. I was in probably the leftmost wing of social democracy, so I thought that wanting to do away with capitalism was premature because we "hadn't tried hard enough to fix it" i.e. the system was very very broken but still capable of being fixed. Then I actually took the time to think about what a "fixed" system would be, or what would be the absolutely ideal version of capitalism-- zealous anti-monopoly prosecution, no money in politics at all, guaranteed access to all the necessities of life and more-- and realized that it would still be exploitative because that's just the nature of a capitalist economy.
Obviously my experiences aren't universal but I feel like a good way to get to people on our side who are already Berniecrats is to emphasize the fundamentality of the problem over the size of the problem.
To me, the more fundamental problem with capitalism is that capitalism will always work to perpetuate itself. If your description of a "fixed" system -- a capitalist social democracy where people's basic needs are guaranteed and the worst parts of capitalism are heavily regulated -- were enacted on Monday, by Tuesday you'd have wealthy people funding ways to roll it back. This is basically what we've seen since the 70s; i.e., the reaction of capital against any sort of social program that threatens the bottom line.
That's more convincing to me than talking about exploitation. In a "fixed" capitalist system, with a decent lifestyle guaranteed, it's unconvincing to argue that choosing to work in that system is exploitative at all precisely because a decent lifestyle is guaranteed. It's a lot easier to argue that a "fixed" system can't last as long as the wealthy can astroturf political movements to dismantle it.
That's certainly another good strategy, I guess you could say the self-perpetuation is just another flaw that's fundamental and can't be gotten rid of.
A discussion thread between liberalism and hogposting? Chapo really is back.