Or the lib to lib pipeline as it is also known.
Seen so many people here saying they found the original sub by seeing posts on other subs that seemed different to the usual discourse (eg criticising liberals from the left) and that led to them finding cth through post history or whatever.
That's not really gonna happen now and I imagine we'll get banned pretty quick if we start posting chapo.chat in r politics.
I think radicalising libs is one of the strengths of chapo.chat as it has a pretty inclusive and humorous vibe which other left subs dont really have, plus as many people face the choice between trump and biden amongst the chaos of 2020 they are starting to realise how little power and control they have over their own lives.
Not trying to hype up the importance of this place, it's ultimately just a niche corner of extremely online weirdos but it's the best thing I've found out there.
So how we gonna get the libs in? Harry potter reading group? Deep fakes of Elizabeth warren saying chapochat has a plan for that?
Post screenshots of good content from here on reddit subs that are full of libs.
Giving exposure to original content sets off a feedback loop where people make more content so they can get that sweet sweet attention, so more people watch the space, so there's more sweet sweet attention, so people make better content to get noticed.
We can all contribute to that by preferentially upvoting things that were made for this community by this community. (And mods can contribute by being frivolous about pinning things.)
For what it is worth I've already seen one post from here on a different subreddit already. It is by far the best method at getting positive exposure.
Hey Bud, I dont go around asking you to provide evidence.
I found it, I don't know the rules on cross posting from reddit but its 2nd on hot in antifascistsofreddit about Andy Ngo.
Yeah like r/LSC and r/dankleft would be good places to start tbh
But wheres the good content tho
Be a fun place to post and people will post here. Be a struggle forum with people calling eachother RED FASH and DUMB UTOPIANS and it'll go down to 3 people with a bunch of alts.
I think it's important to note that leftist spaces online fucking suck, and the majority of leftists don't like that they have to talk about stuff on shitholes like Twitter, Facebook, or Insta. There is a demand for this kind of platform and I do believe there is a lot of room for growth.
Very true, I joined CTH because it was entertaining as fuck and the passive aggressive relationship with the podcast helped. The dumb struggle sessions on r/LSC did nothing for me
That's fucking awesome. I love how the button turns red and gold when you press it
Great site. We need this shared. Great way to spread the word about chapochat
Astroturf a /r/shitchapossay sub on Reddit but fill it with good posts from here
you can already do this with /r/theleftcantmeme, /r/shitcommiessay, /r/enoughcommiespam, etc..
There is a dormant shit Chapo says subreddit with 15 members, it you could start fresh
The thing that did it for me was thinking about small businesses. I was in probably the leftmost wing of social democracy, so I thought that wanting to do away with capitalism was premature because we "hadn't tried hard enough to fix it" i.e. the system was very very broken but still capable of being fixed. Then I actually took the time to think about what a "fixed" system would be, or what would be the absolutely ideal version of capitalism-- zealous anti-monopoly prosecution, no money in politics at all, guaranteed access to all the necessities of life and more-- and realized that it would still be exploitative because that's just the nature of a capitalist economy.
Obviously my experiences aren't universal but I feel like a good way to get to people on our side who are already Berniecrats is to emphasize the fundamentality of the problem over the size of the problem.
the fundamentality of the problem over the size of the problem.
To me, the more fundamental problem with capitalism is that capitalism will always work to perpetuate itself. If your description of a "fixed" system -- a capitalist social democracy where people's basic needs are guaranteed and the worst parts of capitalism are heavily regulated -- were enacted on Monday, by Tuesday you'd have wealthy people funding ways to roll it back. This is basically what we've seen since the 70s; i.e., the reaction of capital against any sort of social program that threatens the bottom line.
That's more convincing to me than talking about exploitation. In a "fixed" capitalist system, with a decent lifestyle guaranteed, it's unconvincing to argue that choosing to work in that system is exploitative at all precisely because a decent lifestyle is guaranteed. It's a lot easier to argue that a "fixed" system can't last as long as the wealthy can astroturf political movements to dismantle it.
That's certainly another good strategy, I guess you could say the self-perpetuation is just another flaw that's fundamental and can't be gotten rid of.
A discussion thread between liberalism and hogposting? Chapo really is back.
Yea exactly! Have heard many similar stories to this. I was generally anti capitalist but mushy brained with a lot of lib opinions, saw a xpost on latestagecapitalism to cth and being on that sub definitely helped me think about things in ways I hadn't considered before (and was pretty funny and not super dry and insular like other leftist communities).
All the other left subs are fucking garbage. Either way too serious with the theory and larping as tankies, or are steeped up to their eyeballs in tone policing. Just a bunch of unwelcoming scolds.
As to your question, we all just go normalpost on reddit like we always have:
https://i.imgur.com/T0hEYjX.jpg
I found chapo because people would bring chapo up outside of chapo. We just have to keep doing it. Keep occasionally name dropping this place. People will find it.
Yep. Name drop chapo.chat under every cool comment with strong scumbag leftist energy, people will find the way.
I think chapo.chat might have a search engine optimization problem. When people on reddit say "Those dang chapo people, brigading again :(", will other people gooling that find their way here? Now, imagine if we were called lib.rehab... :thinkin-lenin:
also the fact that lemmy is an SPA does non-trivial damage to SEO
We are however rather small compared to many of the larger Reddit communities. We shouldn't take a bite out anything we aren't prepared to deal with, and we should make sure everyone here is cool with it before anyone goes off poking a hornet's nest and drawing them back here.
Yeah. This is good.
Edit: and I agree, there is value in poking the nest sometimes, but we need to use our brains.
internet equivalent of dumbass ppl baiting cops/protesters into unsafe situations
r/BanVideoGames has been based as fuck recently, actually. No lie it's like the revival of r/MTC or MMTC but replacing "fascist" with "g*mer"
Memes. Post funny shit. That's why we all keep showing up here anyway
The first steps in the lib to chapo pipeline is mostly done by r/medicareforall, r/sandersforpresident, and the like, and their facebook counterparts.
Absolutely, but the first step is the hardest I think. Once you are a bernie fan, and look how things turned for the old sheepdog this last election, you have no choice but to go down the rabbit hole.
That's why I could never bag on Bernie too hard even after the Biden endorsement. His campaign was far from all his doing, but he was a huge part of it, and that campaign got more people to take that first, hardest step than anything in decades. If you do that much good I'm not going to disown you for picking one bad option from a range of exclusively bad options when you lose.
I mean all those dweeb need is to say "thats the swole folks that got banned with teh_ronald for being political extremists", not mentioning our awesome rep 😎
