The point of rule 8 is explicitly and in no uncertain terms to weed out dreck, shit, garbage. Low quality bait, weird anonymous bigots, bad bespoke twitter opinions, etc. The dunk tank is a place for us to post garbage takes with the goal of deconstructing the brainworms or at least having some fun laughing at a moron. There is no shortage of bad posts on the internet, but just because you saw it doesn't mean that we have to as well. The dunk tank is a place where we can punch up together, rather than all of us getting riled up every time one of us sees one of the billion bad posts launched daily into the digital void by random morons.
If you'd like to continue getting mad at random internet strangers, you're invited to subscribe to /c/shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml or just reply to the bad comments you see on other sites directly with your dunks.
I am once again encouraging people to use /c/shitreactionariessay on grad. Also, spicy hot poorly concocted take incoming. (This is not directed at OP but more people who hate Rule 8)
The reason rule 8 exists kind of bears itself out to me in shitreactionariessay: no harsh to whoever runs it, but the comm is just a deluge of crap. It's a race to the bottom for whoever can dredge the dumbest and most incoherent takes riddled with slurs on the Steam forums or whatever garbage hole.
Now sure, if Rule 8 didn't exist and thedunktank had this type of thing users could just block the comm, but: what if we just don't have a firehose of garbage as a comm? The dunks are more fun when someone has a quasi-coherent position to dunk into the sun, the dunks are more fun and considered when you can take apart their brainworms instead of just another g*mer yapping or whatever. Low hanging fruit by nobodies on reddit or other places does not make for stimulating posts or replies.
To be very fair, I don't see a lot of utter garbage get removed under Rule 8, this is not to accuse anybody of poor posting. I think it's probably worth it to maintain a high standard of dunk anyway though.
s a race to the bottom for whoever can dredge the dumbest and most incoherent takes riddled with slurs on the Steam forums or whatever garbage hole.
Is this what the dunk tank was before rule 8? Is that typically the kind of content removed under rule 8? Or is it just normal dunk tank content which would be allowed if the number next to the text was higher? Be honest.
Well, I don't think so and the person I was talking to doesn't think so, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to me to discuss the situation from that perspective.
Well I think so, so it seems reasonable to discuss it from that perspective
Yes, absolutely. Dunk tank content removed under rule 8 (and even before it was formalised) is always some random irrelevant take posted by a nobody with no platform, of which there are literally hundreds of millions on the internet. I think the most notable posting we've ever even had to actually think about whether rule 8 applies is some small time twitch streamer with under 1000 followers who posted something racist on twitter.
The goal of rule 8 is and has always been to limit the absolute dogshit takes that random bluesky accounts nobody's heard of, shitty YouTube commenters, or bad Facebook posts made by some random guy you used to work with 5 years ago.
The intention is to allow for the picking apart of posts made by people with a reasonably large platform or even vague association with the levers of power, without having to wade an endless supply of boring bad takes from nobodies in order to find something worth dunking on.
The rule has been explained multiple times, your disagreement with the rule does not make it unclear.
We are literally just wasting time by shitposting on the internet. I don't see why we need to have any sort of standards at all. This is just mods being busybodies for the sake of being busybodies.
the_dunk_tank becomes a hell-hole of slop? Great, let the piggies feed. There are like 1000 active users on this site, it'll be fine.
hexbears will critique american's shit taste in movies and then beg for the same kind of worthless slop for their hexbear feeds
It is not looking good for some of my comrades
also they could literally go to the lemmygrad comm idkapparently that type of monumental effort just is too much for some
I can sympathise somewhat with the "only browse local" thing, I browse local 99% of the time, but if a federated instance's comm had something I wanted that wasn't on my instance, I would just... go there, instead of starting a Protracted People's Posting War
idk just spitballing
The slop trough is open right now at /c/shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml
I encourage you and everyone else disappointed by rule 8 to subscribe there.
You have been on this site for two years and have four posts, none of them in the dunk tank. Booty has been on this site for four years and has 20 posts, none of them in the dunk tank. Why the hell do you care if people are allowed to do low effort posts on the dunk tank? Neither of you actually post!
Wait, he never even posted once in the /c/the_dunk_tank? Okay, now this thread is really really funny.
Not the person you're replying to (looks like they got banned for what they said in this thread) but I fit the same bill, being someone who hasn't posted there while still thinking rule 8 is just a bad rule that doesn't improve the site but detracts from it. I like to read the things posted in the dunk tank, including posts that I have seen removed for rule 8. I also like to read the modlog and it's the only reason I know about some threads that got removed, threads with lots of comments, none of which were complaining about the source of the dunk, and that I really enjoyed reading and would have liked to have seen continued to be discussed.
In addition to threads I only knew about because of the modlog, there have been a bunch of times now where I was reading a dunk_tank thread and went to respond but couldn't because the post got removed between the time I opened it, read through it, and tried to comment. There have also been a couple times where I was considering making an actual post there but didn't because I didn't want one of the only times that I do make a post to end up getting removed. There was even a time when someone else (a mod at that!) ended up posting the very thing I had been considering posting.
Not to say that you can't have an opinion if you don't post in the dunk tank, but those two were going so hard on this thread I thought for sure they were mad because some of their posts were removed from the comm or something
I don't know, I kind of get why they are going hard about it. When a website is a community that takes up a significant part of your day, attention, and thought, it's almost impossible not to have strong feelings about how it's ran and how you're allowed to use it, even in principle. I don't have really strong feelings about it myself, but I'd be lying if I said it didn't irk me quite a bit, especially when it seems like all the time I'm either seeing posts not getting removed that the rule definitely applies to, and simultaneously good posts with quality commentary getting removed just because the initial dunk was on some nobody reddit dork.
The intention is to allow for the picking apart of posts made by people with a reasonably large platform or even vague association with the levers of power,
Why exactly does posting have to be praxis and how is making fun of an Elon Musk tweet praxis, im begging you to explain this
Posting isn't praxis, nor does it need to be. You can quit JAQing off and "begging for an explanation" now.
It's pretty clear at this point that no amount of explanation is going to be sufficient for you given the way you've continued to antagonize both moderators and everyone else who has tried to clarify the situation to you in this and previous threads.
It's not about being praxis; it's about the quality of content.
And it's also about not spending all your time finding every last person who said something that sucks. It's not healthy to do that shit.
Okay, well, that's what it sounds like when the posts have to be about someone "near the levers of power." If it is not about that and is instead about the quality of the posts, I ask once again the question. Why is a picture of an Elon Musk tweet inherently a higher quality post than a picture of a tweet by someone with fewer followers?
because its fucking elon musk, a person people know and have an effect on real world policies and a vast amount of people
vs an actual nobody
you need to stop, you're reaching into the nonsensical in order to argue at this point
because its fucking elon musk
This is literally not an explanation, you're just repeating the assertion I questioned. I could make just as valid an argument the other way around. Posts of Elon Musk tweets are inherently low quality. Why? Because it's fucking Elon Musk. Also I have an even stronger argument, it's because I can go see Elon Musk tweets any time I want by typing www.twitter.com into my address bar. It is higher effort and higher quality to post things that I would not otherwise have found
doesn't matter, pm the mods if you care so much, im sure it'll work out for you since you're such a pleasant individual
Nah they can just fuck off forever or make a new account idgaf this mfer should be banned.
Do you seriously not understand the difference between some 0 follower twitter account and dunking on Elon fucking Musk?
We can just post the low hanging fruit to shitreactionariessay on lemmygrad.
Such a weird hill to die on.
I find this site generally misanthropic and would prefer that that be confined to public figures at least.
Didn't there used to be a rule in dunk tank require OP to provide a well-thought explanation? What happened to that? That would improve quality.
No but it's what shitreactionariessay seems to be. I acknowledge that here:
shitreactionariessay: no harsh to whoever runs it, but the comm is just a deluge of crap.
and here:
To be very fair, I don't see a lot of utter garbage get removed under Rule 8, this is not to accuse anybody of poor posting.
I'm not in love with people asking me questions answered by the comment they're replying to. Kind of silly having to quote Myself, 10 Minutes Ago.
No
Right, exactly. The questions were not a request for information but a demonstration of the facts so we can be on the same page. The dunk tank has never been garbage like the lemmygrad comm. This is because hexbear users are better posters than lemmygrad users and why I don't want to go use lemmygrad instead of hexbear. If they implemented rule 8 on lemmygrad it would not make the posts better.
Woah, is that lemmy sectarianism? I wouldn't pass judgement on all lemmygrad users that way.
Anyway here is a useless lawyer who is basically a nobody, here is a nobody bluesky user, here is a bunch of random tumblr replies. Since you seem to demand evidence that rule 8 is required. These are nobodies, not good posts. I happen to think Rule 8 would improve shitreactionariessay dramatically, Rule 8 aside they are the same comm.
This is because hexbear users are better posters than lemmygrad users
Quantity of post doesn't make up for quality posts, you ******* ****!
but the comm is just a deluge of crap. It's a race to the bottom for whoever can dredge the dumbest and most incoherent takes riddled with slurs on the Steam forums or whatever garbage hole.
I don't really recall Pre-rule 8 dunk tank being like this at all but I guess that's just me
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Rule 8 always sucked for being too vague. In practice, it just means "do not submit shit takes from Reddit, Lemmy, Discord, and Youtube comments. Shit takes from Twitter are only allowed if they use their face as a pfp. Shit takes from non social media sources like articles are fair game."
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With election season (and the deterioration of Biden's brain) ramping up, it's going to be even more pointless because it's going to be trivial to find a shit take from some journo. Like, we have some ex-Soviet spy unironically saying Biden got Havana syndrome on the day of the debate, and the takes are going to be more and more unmoored from reality with each passing day.
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The dunk tank is supposed to be a containment comm, and to the surprise of absolutely no one, once rule 8 was established, the low-effort dunks went to the generic comm, which is /c/chapotraphouse. /c/the_dunk_tank is posting slop, and it's going to stay as posting slop. It had some potential of radicalizing other people when we used it to brigadeTM other instances, but the federation era of Hexbear is over.
I personally think mods should rescind Rule 8 while at the same time be a lot stricter about removing dunks from /c/chapotraphouse. People in the dunk tank want their slop and people who blocked the dunk tank don't want to see that shit in /c/chapotraphouse. Everybody is happy.
I honestly had stayed away from Rule 8 discussion for a while, but this is just going to get worse as we move closer to the election. Mods and admins need to find a satisfactory solution.
heavy on 1. i get weeding out typical, unoriginal stupid shit, cesspool chud threads, argument chains, etc. but a lot of takes from nobodies are confidently wrong, absurd, whatever enough to be genuinely funny or even start memes here. the tommy needy drinky one comes to mind for some reason
Rule 8: The subject of a post cannot be low hanging fruit, that is comments/posts made by a private person that have low amount of upvotes/likes/views.
this is straight up like 40% of the site taglines. and you could find posts like this with hundreds of upvotes and no complaints
i could literally look through the history of the active posters here supporting rule 8 and find multiple past dunk posts from most of them violating it. and a lot of them would be bangers!
i could literally look through the history of the active posters here supporting rule 8 and find multiple past dunk posts from most of them violating it. and a lot of them would be bangers!
This is exactly what I've been saying. It's never been enforced that strictly!
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Damn, hexbears really love digital self harm.
You don't need to share with the class every time you see someone make a fucked up take. Sometimes things are just better left unposted. There was a time when you would see some fucked up shit and then you would take a break from the computer instead of inflicting it on other people.
It's content we want to post and literally no mod has ever explained why rule 8 exists despite several users asking repeatedly. I see it as essentially the same as the "main" rule at this point, just some random bullshit the mods made up to remove more posts, and I treat it with exactly as much respect
The whole thing doesn't make any sense anyway. The rule is against "low effort content" but low effort apparently means posting stuff that has low engagement and is therefore harder to find, and high effort is apparently posting whatever you see as soon as you navigate to twitter.com. literally backwards. Mods refuse to explain this
Rule 8 is to stop people posting every random dipshit with a bad opinion and it's rarely enforced in any case
Rule 8 is to stop people posting every random dipshit with a bad opinion
Right. Why is it desirable to stop that? That's what the dunk tank is for. And limiting it to posting only random dipshits with bad opinions who happen to have high follower count is supposed to improve the quality how?
and it's rarely enforced either
IDK what to tell you comrade thats just not an accurate description of reality
Right. Why is it desirable to stop that?
Your contention is that the rule has never been explained, but in actuality its purpose is quite clear. You just don't agree with it.
IDK what to tell you comrade thats just not an accurate description of reality
I post in the dunk tank all the time and I've literally never had a post removed for Rule 8
I'm going to say this may be a skill issue
Your contention is that the rule has never been explained, but in actuality its purpose is quite clear.
I don't know, to me explaining a rule includes explaining why it is desirable to have the rule in place. It is very clear what the rule does, it disallows any content a mod arbitrarily decides was posted by someone who isn't famous enough. The question I want explained is why that content should be disallowed. And that is the question no one has answered.
I don't know what else to say but to wish you luck with your protracted people's war against the moderators of the_dunk_tank
Personally I really don't understand all of the hostility and smug satisfaction with which you guys are regarding simple confusion regarding a rule that no one has ever explained. Is it not normal to be dissatisfied with arbitrary rules that have no apparent benefit to anyone and make one's experience worse? If you're so smugly superior to caring about this rule, why are you posting about it in this thread and trying to make me feel like I'm being unreasonable?
It feels very mean-spirited and I really don't understand it. It really does feel like straight up trolling, like if the mods enforced the "main" rule outside of the main comm and anyone who asks why gets treated like we're the ones being silly. Of course your posts should have "main" in them, why should we allow low-quality posts that don't contain the word "main"
Frankly if you're getting your posts removed for violating the main rule that's just a skill issue I don't have that problem
The mods have explained why the main rule exists it's so that you don't post stuff that doesn't contain "main" what do you mean that isn't a good enough explanation
Why do people keep posting stuff that doesn't contain "main" it's getting really annoying
Why are you being such an obstinate ass, just get over the main rule stop bringing it up
Personally I really don't understand all of the hostility and smug satisfaction with which you guys are regarding simple confusion regarding a rule that no one has ever explained. I
THIS RULE HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO YOU BY ME AND MULTIPLE OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD YOU JUST DON'T LIKE IT
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhe's arguing just so he can get that hit of dopamine seeing his notification amount go up
multiple people are trying to reason with him, it aint happening
well he got shot by the chapo mods so is this like a victory
doesn't feel like it tbh i feel like i wasted my time, and i was only here for like 20 minutes
We bore witness. No one can ever say that we weren't here
What, will these hands ne'er be clean? No more o' that, my lord, no more o' that: you mar all with this starting. Here's the smell of the blood still: all the perfumes of Arabia will not sweeten this little hand. Oh, oh, oh!
i do really like seeing that notification go up, even when its just messages for megathreads
yeah i was throwing stone in glass houses because same, number go up makes brain go happy vroom
I mean I've pointed out the part that I feel is unexplained and I still feel that way. I'm sorry that you're apparently freaking the fuck out over someone on the internet having a different opinion than you. Have you considered that I have like 10 twitter followers and therefore my comments are low quality and you shouldn't be paying attention to them at all?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
The rule has actually been explained multiple times you're just obstinate about it being bad. I thought it was bad at first too then it was explained to me and I realized it wasn't.
Anyway this post wasnt about rule 8 it was about not posting dunk tank content in cth.
The rule has actually been explained multiple times you're just obstinate about it being bad. I
No it literally was not. I know this because when it was introduced and several users said the rule sucked an admin or sitemod or whatever appeared in the thread and said "it's good actually" and I and several other users asked why it exists and they said "because the mods decided it will exist and it's not changing and that's that"
They literally "because I said so"ed us
Anyway this post wasnt about rule 8 it was about not posting dunk tank content in cth.
You mean exactly what we all said would happen when the mods introduced a random rule banning popular content from a popular comm with no explanation?
Why are you throwing insults at me for disagreeing with a rule on an internet forum
you of all people did not just say that
a hexbear of all people did not just say that
an internet debate bro did not just say that
some people on this site have 0 self reflection istg
I mean it's well established on hexbear that it is not allowed to throw insults at comrades over petty bullshit, which is strictly enforced and is why his comment was quickly removed. What exactly am I supposed to be self-reflecting about?
Because I didnt make this thread to have a discussion about Rule 8 but some of you have been so consistently angry about it since it was made and haven't dropped the issue such that I cant even mention it in passing while talking about a different problem without you bringing it back up again.
The thing is, it isn't a different problem regardless of how much you insist that it is. The fundamental problem is that there is content people want to post, and they are not allowed to post it where it would make the most sense, so they post it elsewhere. Since no mod has given a clear explanation about why this content is disallowed or even what content specifically is disallowed (explicitly it is "vibes based") people are wary of posting anything that could potentially be interpreted as rule-breaking to the comm where that rule exists and instead post it to the comms where there aren't weird unexplained rules that might get their posts removed for no reason
The problem would go away if mods either explained the rule ever or simply removed it, but since they refuse to do either we see this phenomenon you're posting about
The thing is, it isn't a different problem regardless of how much you insist that it is. The fundamental problem is that there is content people want to post, and they are not allowed to post it where it would make the most sense, so they post it elsewhere
https://hexbear.net/c/shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml
I browse local 90% of the time. I am here to use hexbear. "you can post this content on Reddit" or whatever is not an explanation for why it is not allowed here.
No actually it is the problem of the people going out of their way to antagonize people posting normal hexbear content, not those of us just trying to use the site
Dunk tank content is not "normal hexbear content" its normal dunk tank content. People block dunk tank because they dont want to see it youre aware of that right?
The dunk tank is part of hexbear, yes? Normal dunk tank content is normal hexbear content. A significant portion of that normal dunk tank content is now arbitrarily and unexplainedly disallowed in the dunk tank and on hexbear as a whole, and when we ask why we're told "because" and "well you can always go to a different website entirely to post it" and "[random insults]"
Do you not understand why this is seen by those of us who do like that content as a negative thing?
People want to make fun of and critique a post they see somewhere else. Where do you think they should post it on hexbear?
I'm on your side autismdragon. If you're not a fan of one comm's content and block it, the last thing you want is to see it in the comms you do like.
That sounds like a great idea, the mods should allow normal dunk tank content in the dunk tank again and then those of you who don't want to see it can block the dunk tank and all the content you don't want to see will be blocked with it
"if you dont let me post whatever I want to the dunk tank with no standards of quality, I'm going to flood other comms with dunk tank content and fuck the people who dont want to see it because Im annoyed with the mods"
You sound like a petulant child who didnt get his way and the fact that so many people here don't seem to get that is infuriating lol. Like grow up.
Why is posting an Elon musk tweet higher quality than a tweet by someone you haven't heard of
You're the one acting a child tbh.
Get over it. Sorry seeing a post about vaush saying something stupid made you crap your pants.
do you see a mod or admin icon next to my name or are you really as stupid as you act
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Let it go. It's so weird you were taking up for the op of this thread, and downright snitch behavior trying to urge the mods to ban me or whatever you were doing.
don't even try it, i can back up people i fucking agree with. And you act like you weren't doing the same damn thing yourself. Your issue is that you are incorrect and a smarmy little goon about it.
I have refrained from calling you out or replying to you directly, but why don't you or another person upset with rule 8 just request a comm here on HB for shitreactionariessay or whatever you decide to call it?
I think the reasoning behind rule 8 is fine, I don't think everyone who like the_dunk-tank style content cares about what the lowest common denominator is posting. Public figures say enough stupid shit as it is. Who knows, maybe you are vindicated in the end and the new comm eclipses the dunk tank.
but why don't you or another person upset with rule 8 just request a comm
If I remember correctly, when this issue has come up before, which it has several times, mods said that no comm requests for rule 8 posts would be granted. I even suggested a weekly megathread where people could post and talk about all the low-hanging fruit they wanted, but it would be contained to a single, easily-ignored if chosen, thread. But no one seemed to like that idea.
that sounds like a you problem dude, make a sloptank community or something
Yeah thats exactly my problem. I actually love dunk tank content but there are tons of people who block it because they dont want to see it. It leaking is not good.
Yeah I'm kind of confused as to why people are acting like you can't have it both ways. It's a website. You can both have a place for people to freak out over posts from pepehitler69 and whatever ghoulish thing the NYT just said. It's no more a detriment to quality than the same 20 people calling Tom Friedman a ghoul for the 40th time.
I agree, but I would think the onus is on the disaffected rule 8 posters to request a dedicated comm for it.
The dedicated comm has already been determined to be /c/shitreactionariessay@lemmygrad.ml as it's an already existing community and it also helps foster increased interactions between Hexbear and Lemmygrad.
The disaffected rule 8 posters already have an alternative space available to them, those that refuse to use it for some reason don't somehow gain the right to post their content elsewhere just because they're frustrated with the rules.
We've been through this discussion several times already, the official position of the mods is "this content is not allowed on hexbear at all no we won't explain why" as of last time
then deal with it dude, i learned to, so should you
What exactly am I not dealing with that I should learn to deal with? I am currently being paid as we speak so I'm sitting around engaging in a discussion about a rule instead of working. I'm not posting stuff that breaks the rule, I'm not proactively posting about the rule. I discuss it when it comes up.
A person on an internet forum is posting about relevant topics in a thread, deal with it
i don't care who you are, what you do, or how you feel
rules there, its not changing until it is, do something else with your time
you are just angry at a rule you can't change, on no basis except that you think its lame, you're not doing anything that isn't childish
i don't care who you are, what you do, or how you feel
Then leave me alone? What is wrong with you
Do you mean admins? Because if this is a comm request the moderators shouldn't be needed. (I certainly wasn't asked.)
I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't see why there would be a problem with the hypothetical new comm and am curious to know why.
In any case, the lemmygrad comm others have mentioned is available. I do not agree with you in much of this thread, but it's not a big enough deal to start beef over.
I deleted a post that I made on the dunk tank the other day of a funny comment I found on /r/politics when I realized it broke rule #8. You're all welcome.
This post was not about rule 8. It was about not posting dunk tank content outside the dunk tank. Read.
This post was not about rule 8
Puts "Rule 8" in the title, with a specific subordinate clause just to talk about it
Okay.
I mentioned it in passing because it was vaguely relevant because this comm has a rule about not using this as a place to post stuff that doesnt cut mustard for rule 8 lol. But the main point here is to not post dunk tank stuff here.
ETA: Suboridinate clauses and needing to mention everything that seems relevant is kind of part of how autism effects me so reconsider mocking it.
I have autism too, and if I went out of my way to mention something (even without thinking), and people were talking about that thing I mentioned, I would simply just understand why that happened instead of being rude to them about it, like you are being to those other commentors.
The recent evidence was removed but check the modlog.
And yes forums have rules and thats a good thing :)
I’m not going to thumb thru the mod log looking for whatever it is you’re talking about. I’m not the one saying there’s a bunch of dunk tank crap posted outside the dunk tank.
Its been literally all thats on the main page for like a week now lol X_X And you dont need to thumb through! its the two most recent things.
I am not particular about what I see on Hexbear, I'm not a picky eater so-to-say; but you are right @autismdragon@hexbear.net that we should try to keep relevant content in the appropriate comms so people are able to block or whatever and appropriately filter what's in their feed.
Though, it is an uphill battle, as attested to by the "I think this content would be better suited under X community" tagline.
Also to all the rules are for schmucks people, try to take into consideration the other people who use the website if not "rules" themselves
Back when the dunk tank allowed garbage everywhere I was frequently in the comments of posts yelling at people to post that garbage in the dunk tank because I don't always want to see that shit. They either didn't care or forgot, but in either case, it was nice to have a place to point to where I could say "this trash goes there."
But we decided that our trash can is not a trash can and
Hexbear is shocked that we now have trash everywhere.
I guess not everybody posts hard...
Thank u for ur service
