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“I gave it my all”
debate prep 0 hrs
codifying roe 0 hrs
single payer 0 hrs
Palestinian genocide 8800 hrs
trans rights 0 hrs
someone who is good at time please help me schedule this. my campaign is dyingI read Biden's family actually complained he did so poorly in the debate because he was "overprepared".
They did six days of debate prep at Camp David and that was still the result.
Guess they didn't think to prep him for dealing with Trump.
So then what was the prep?
I saw some libs freaking out over this.
Like no shit, the guy that enthusiastically supports a genocide abroad doesn't care if queer people are being targeted domestically?
no way
It is kinda jokerfiying to see the guy who I'm being told will "save us from fascism" just not give a fuck tbh. I think its good that they're freaking out. Maybe they'll come to some realizations.
Also the turbolib in the reality tv server I'm in tut tuted people for being upset about this and said "the interview is fine" so there are worse lib positions lol.
Maybe they'll come to some realizations.
"Maybe they'll come to some realizations" #723
I work with a lib who at times I begin to think is finally listening, a week later and we're back to square one. You can only talk to these people once a day at best, Reddit is for all of 24 hours a day every day. You'll never beat the all day brainwashing.
You'll never beat the all day brainwashing.
Did we not all beat the all day brainwashing here though? I mean I personally am an ex-lib.
Fair enough, I'm perhaps being too pessimistic; the lib I work with is very depressing in how he falls back into the stuff being spouted online very easily and I'm probably extrapolating far too much.
if his material conditions deteriorate, he might think back on things you said
That just means you haven't found the thing that speaks to their soul yet, just something that they agree with on a surface level and doesn't incept them with a will to unpack anything personally. For me my de-libining came after 2016 when I read what the groypers were saying and thoroughly read intellectual dark web stuff and saw that the lib brand of alternating snark, hysteria and patting themselves on the back for being the "decent" side was completely toothless against and ignorant to these rising political currents.
All of the Democrat messaging I saw felt designed to make them look good only within the parameters of right wing framing, and depended on taking the right's bad faith arguments at face value ("I thought you loved the troops but now you're attacking Gold Star families? Busted!"). I saw how the dirtbag left didn't mince words when talking about troops or back down when another self-righteous fake outrage campaign was started by the right, I saw Richard Spencer get punched once, lose the majority of his following and disprove the notion that the "marketplace of ideas" was the best antidote to hate, and I never looked back.
The key is, unfortunately, unless you have state power on your side to do a mass re-education effort (you don't, and won't) you're left with relying on individuals wanting to change on their own. The classic "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink." Well, you can make it drink... but, since we lack that power, we're left with just putting its face into the water and saying "drink! Drink for god's sake!"
Similar to addictions, until a person has a spark inside of them and desires to change their habits and thinking, basically nothing else from the outside will matter. You can bombard them with stuff like images of black, cancerous lungs and they'll shrug it off. Literally none of it matters until some internal switch happens. (Speaking as an ex-smoker. Nothing mattered from my friends/family telling me to quit. It just annoyed me more. Until I wanted to quit, really wanted to at a deep level, then it mattered what they were saying)
Anyway, all we can really do in the current circumstances is keep sprinkling propaganda or resources out there. Push back on possible weak points in their internal logic. But ultimately you also gotta accept many people will never change on their own or with your pushing. They have no real reason to change. They'll say stuff like "the orange man is fascist!" yet when you say "ok. Then why don't dems like Biden do something about him?" they get mad at you for suggesting an actual solution to the problem that they claim to recognize. They're addicted to liberalism I guess is my best analogy here. Liberalism, neoliberalism, whatever, it's all self delusion, worship of these mythical institutions and a belief that owning Donald Trump in court or in a debate matters. It doesn't. Also, the actual actual solutions, addressing the underlying fundamental issues that fuel fascism (improving material conditions and eliminating the 24/7 bullshit spewing machine of liberal media including the news but also all the other media we consume) is quite literally antithetical to their chosen worldview. And when you suggest that their worldview sucks shit they often, again, get mad at you for pointing out the truth. Because they're addicted to a lie, they've internalized it, and they aren't anywhere near ready to quit huffing that liberal bullshit
If this sounds bleak that's because it is. Doesn't mean we should stop, but, yeah.
Well yeah, agreed, but thats why I suggested that maybe they will realize something, not that we can pounce on this to force them to. Incidents like this that force them to face contradictions can in my mind be the spark that makes them want to change.
The person has to be so captured by an idea that they seek to learn more by themselves and replace one all day media diet with another
For me the Ukraine war, and specifically the whitewashing of Nazi symbols was the breaking point where I could no longer accept the contradictions. I branched out and eventually found this place.
I think a lot of people who are aware of the contradictions have no other place to go. They don't know that communities like this one even exist, so their only choices are following the far right narrative or the neoliberal narrative.
This is very interesting to me because I always considered the Ukraine War to be the type of thing you can only see the truth behind if you already have a leftist mindset. I never thought of it as something that could be the trigger point.
This I guess is my own myopic personal experience thing though. Since I've found it to be the thing that liberals (and leftist ultras) are most unshakable on. I mean the amount of [palestine flag/ukraine flag] you see on social media alone lol.
Well the place I was on previously can probably be pretty well described as "What if Hexbear was rabidly pro West in geopolitics?", so it was already pretty leftist.
It wasn't just the Nazi symbols though, it was also stuff like allowing Russians to be called Orcs, having a neocon splinter group fester away in a specific thread pretty much unmoderated (who later on all got banned for predictable reasons), posting pure propaganda and completely forgetting about the "reputable sources" rule, while ignoring all negative news from said "reputable sources", etc.
Some users also got really mad about the "tankies" in certain threads. It's always funny to me to see how close they really are to being "tankies" themselves. All it would take is having some skepticism over the Western narrative, and before you know it...
Ah, cool to see that someone can break out of being a NATO leftist lol. Ive only seen people get stuck there.
Liberals better start trying harder to win people over then
If Trump is a fascist (he is) that you want to fight against (
) then fucking dronestrike Mar-a-lago, you fucking pussy. It's literally within your rights, you coward.Yeah, drone striking the opposing party wouldn’t be democratic. Drone striking the commies would be the most patriotic thing he could do to save democracy.
You did not give it your all, because the Supreme Court just gave you the OK to kill him, and he's still alive.
Proudly clutching my participation trophy for "resisting fascism" as I am lined up against the wall saying "hey well I did my best and that's what this is really about"
Libs walking past the armed guards on their way to the internment camp:
"Good game." slap "Well played." slap "Good game." slap "Good game." slap
Plot twist: they have become armed guards there so they greet their colleagues.
It's even worse than him just saying "as long as I did my best". He's saying that the election is literally about him doing his best. I guess it's also just nonsensical mumbo jumbo that he probably didn't really think about anyways but still.
It always got under my skin how they just don’t really seem to want to win. It’s like they expect the base to handle everything, including having the will to live
that's the Americans
Always have been. That's where the Nazis got most of their ideas after all.
Most people would lose their jobs if their boss asked them this and they responded like that. Good thing the president gets to be completely vibes based.
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