Okay good, I just came back to delete/apologize because I feared the worst.
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Oh okay, wow. So you were... treated(?) really young. (side note, but it is interesting/frustrating how early society will do this to an intersex kid, but any other queer person has to wait/fight tooth and nail. Not that intersex has it easier in this way, [and from what I've heard they/you all have it worse in a lot of ways] just an aside/random thought.) I'm still a little confused, it sounds like you didn't have hrt, "just" the bottom surgery? How does that... work? Did you parents drop the ball with hrt, or am I misunderstanding something? Did you go through a "natural" puberty without ovaries or testicles? I thought you like... just wouldn't?
That is a very good idea, do you have any recommendations? And that's what I was thinking of earlier. What do you mean you are unsure, what are you unsure about? (unsure if you wanted bottom surgery then, or unsure if they had other surgeries done? Or something else?)
That does sound so hard I really can't imagine.
Expressing my transness trying to wear makeup and then being punished for it when I was a kid is one example
wait, so your parents knew you had a surgery to make a vagina though, right? I literally can't understand. So you had/they gave you that surgery but wouldn't let you wear makeup? And you said you grew breasts/hips... this is breaking both my brain and my heart.
(side note, but it is interesting/frustrating how early society will do this to an intersex kid, but any other queer person has to wait/fight tooth and nail. Not that intersex has it easier in this way, [and from what I've heard they/you all have it worse in a lot of ways] just an aside/random thought.)
Gender abolitionist fury
It's actually very simple. A person that cisnormative society has assigned Male wanting to be anything else does not fit their cisnormative society, and so must be stamped out.
A person that cisnormative society has assigned Male having an ovary in addition to "typical male" sexual anatomy is equally a blight to their cisnormative society, and so must be stamped out. This can be done most easily with invasive, non-consensual surgery to "correct" the child to fit the gender binary. What they do to intersex children is traumatic, disfiguring and they do it with glee and self-satisfaction. Having the truth of your body hidden from you for life, often without record, because some cisgender doctor decided they didn't like how you look is an actual crime of a thing to inflict upon anybody. "Easier" my fucking asshair.
This subject makes me want to fedpost something fierce. It is illegal to say, even on the bear website, how I feel about this topic.
t. Gender Theory Broke My Brain And Now I Want To Kill Cis
It really is that simple. I hate society and what it does to marginalized groups so much.
traumatic, disfiguring and they do it with glee and self-satisfaction
It really, truly is.
I can't believe they would do it without a record or even informing the parents (not saying that informing Magi's parents would have been the right or wrong call). Doing unneeded surgery on a child is already so terrible, and then not doing anything so they can ever know how they were born? Its just a whole other level on top of it. I hate how society treats children as objects parents own.
Idk if it's better or worse when the parents know, some of them do and make the decision any-fucking-way. For their child. I sincerely despise the "your offspring are things you own" shit too, which is strong in the west but not exclusive to it.
I think I was treated when really young. I never had hormone treatment, as far as my parents go, I don't know if they were aware of any of that. It's often done without the parents knowledge. I was treated as a cis male growing up and still had enough testosterone to have some facial hair (but not much) and other things of that nature, but I also developed breasts and wider hips than a typical cis male.
Linky if you dig about you should be able to find some more information, including some on the planned parenthood site, I thought I had some more links but can't find them.
CW some abuse talk
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I suffered abuse for behaving different to my assigned gender.. they had no idea I was trans but because I wasn't acting like a boy I was smacked or beat or worse.. that's as plainly as I can put it.
I will continue to apologize until I stop doing things I need to apologize for one day
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It's often done without the parents knowledge.
That is... bizarre to me. Like... how. On every level that is just very odd to me. I don't understand how doctors would actually be able to do the surgery, how your parents would never have known. And that's common... poor intersex kids/people oh my god. I can't imagine trying to navigate that, especially as a child.
And then obviously how could parents be so cruel, and how could you have to be treated/suffer that way.
Thank you for answering my questions. I will try to learn more about intersex people. I am glad you are in a better situation now.
Because many don't know much about intersex people in general so don't worry I don't mind answering some questions
I edited my last post to provide a link to a basic rundown, I had found a good blog a few years ago but lost it in moving to a new laptop but if I do find it at some stage I'll send you the link
Okay good, I just came back to delete/apologize because I feared the worst.
spoiler
Oh okay, wow. So you were... treated(?) really young. (side note, but it is interesting/frustrating how early society will do this to an intersex kid, but any other queer person has to wait/fight tooth and nail. Not that intersex has it easier in this way, [and from what I've heard they/you all have it worse in a lot of ways] just an aside/random thought.) I'm still a little confused, it sounds like you didn't have hrt, "just" the bottom surgery? How does that... work? Did you parents drop the ball with hrt, or am I misunderstanding something? Did you go through a "natural" puberty without ovaries or testicles? I thought you like... just wouldn't?
That is a very good idea, do you have any recommendations? And
that's what I was thinking of earlier. What do you mean you are unsure, what are you unsure about? (unsure if you wanted bottom surgery then, or unsure if they had other surgeries done? Or something else?)
That does sound so hard
I really can't imagine.
Gender abolitionist fury
It's actually very simple. A person that cisnormative society has assigned Male wanting to be anything else does not fit their cisnormative society, and so must be stamped out.
A person that cisnormative society has assigned Male having an ovary in addition to "typical male" sexual anatomy is equally a blight to their cisnormative society, and so must be stamped out. This can be done most easily with invasive, non-consensual surgery to "correct" the child to fit the gender binary. What they do to intersex children is traumatic, disfiguring and they do it with glee and self-satisfaction. Having the truth of your body hidden from you for life, often without record, because some cisgender doctor decided they didn't like how you look is an actual crime of a thing to inflict upon anybody. "Easier" my fucking asshair.
This subject makes me want to fedpost something fierce. It is illegal to say, even on the bear website, how I feel about this topic.
t. Gender Theory Broke My Brain And Now I Want To Kill Cis
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It really is that simple. I hate society and what it does to marginalized groups so much.
It really, truly is.
I can't believe they would do it without a record or even informing the parents (not saying that informing Magi's parents would have been the right or wrong call). Doing unneeded surgery on a child is already so terrible, and then not doing anything so they can ever know how they were born? Its just a whole other level on top of it. I hate how society treats children as objects parents own.
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Idk if it's better or worse when the parents know, some of them do and make the decision any-fucking-way. For their child. I sincerely despise the "your offspring are things you own" shit too, which is strong in the west but not exclusive to it.
You don't have to apologise to me
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I think I was treated when really young. I never had hormone treatment, as far as my parents go, I don't know if they were aware of any of that. It's often done without the parents knowledge. I was treated as a cis male growing up and still had enough testosterone to have some facial hair (but not much) and other things of that nature, but I also developed breasts and wider hips than a typical cis male.
Linky if you dig about you should be able to find some more information, including some on the planned parenthood site, I thought I had some more links but can't find them.
CW some abuse talk
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I suffered abuse for behaving different to my assigned gender.. they had no idea I was trans but because I wasn't acting like a boy I was smacked or beat or worse.. that's as plainly as I can put it.
I will continue to apologize until I stop doing things I need to apologize for
one day
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That is... bizarre to me. Like... how. On every level that is just very odd to me. I don't understand how doctors would actually be able to do the surgery, how your parents would never have known. And that's common... poor intersex kids/people oh my god. I can't imagine trying to navigate that, especially as a child.
And then obviously how could parents be so cruel, and how could you have to be treated/suffer that way.
Thank you for answering my questions. I will try to learn more about intersex people. I am glad you are in a better situation now.
There's also https://4intersex.org & https://www.minus18.org.au/articles/i'm-intersex:-here's-what-that-means
Because many don't know much about intersex people in general so don't worry I don't mind answering some questions
I edited my last post to provide a link to a basic rundown, I had found a good blog a few years ago but lost it in moving to a new laptop but if I do find it at some stage I'll send you the link
I don't even know much about trans people
death to society for not educating me better. But I'm glad you understand.
Thank you! I will I have a look at that link, and yes if you ever remember I'd appreciate it.
We all have to start somewhere c:
Two more followed so hopefully from those you'll get a better understanding ^^