Holding electeds even marginally accountable is bad acktuallllyyy ... This is just so exhausting.
Fuckin purity testttt scream the libs.
Like the rules she allegedly broke are so easy to follow. Do the opposite of supporting Israel. Not like the rules are "personally destroy the state of Israel" or "kill Benjamin Netenyahu"
Just don't support giving them more weapons. Don't support making it illegal to be against giving them weapons.
Truly an easy bar to clear for anyone who has any morals. Yes a purity test if you will. Purity tests are necessary and important. I ain't drinking water that isn't some standard of pure ("wow just because there's visible shit in your water you won't drink it what a purity tester") and I won't vote for someone or endorse someone who isn't some standard of pure ("wow just because she doesn't mind a lillll genocide")
I love (by which I mean hate) how 'purity test' has just come to refer to having any uncompromising moral position whatsoever.
Again it's one of those cliche situations of the left wants to not kill Palestinians and the right wants to kill all of them and liberals are like, "but you gotta compromise to get what you want ..."
Though hearing the Biden superpacs are focusing almost entirely on digital stuff makes me hope that most of these are just shills, even the downvoting is inconsistent, like the horde missed some comments or misinterpreted some of the commenters to think they're pro-lib when they're not. Very strange either way.
Liberals don't really have beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.
But Trump would have killed 300k Palestinians and Biden only killed 200k!
These people are so v*ush-brained that they think you can have literally any political belief you want and still be a "socialist" so long as you claim to be one and don't voot DrUmPf.
I've seen similar comments from adjacent libs
Sample :
The purity crowd will not forgive any positive interaction with "bad" people. It reminds me of Jehovah's Witnesses demanding people disassociate from "worldly" people and if you refuse to do so they will excommunicate you. Political hobbyists demanding purity actively sabotage the movements they claim to be a part of but their actions show they just want to be part of a social club. I sleep better at night by assuming these people are teenagers.
Sample 2 :
I’ll just say this, and be a little mean about it, if you don’t go vote for Biden you’re a fucking idiot. Yeah, he sucks and he’s a dumb old man. But he isn’t a fascist. Not voting for Biden, is a vote for fascism. Republicans will take control. They will implement project 2025. They will make it illegal for LGBT people to exist in public life. And it will be the last election we ever have.
And yeah, I hear you, “but muh Palestine”. I get it. But do you really fucking think that Trump is going to be favorable to towards them? Do you really want a fascist with fucking nukes in the office when Israel is asking for aid? When Russia is still trying to overtake Ukraine? Just don’t be a dumbass. Go vote for Biden. We can deal with getting him out in 2028. If we vote for him now, we can have an election in 2028 with someone else at least.
They just cry and moan about how commies are throwing them out of groups cause they support genocide. Pathetic.
Nooo you can never kick me out of a group just for my politics that's red fash tankism!!!!!
Anyway these terrorists who wore a Palestine flag pin and said Israel should stop killing kids need to be banned from having a job, going to school, and existing in public. Oh also dump millions into primarying anyone who disagrees.
There was one berating the OOP about how, now that they've cut ties with her, the DSA has less power. Like how could they be so stupid as to do that.
Completely missing the point that they never had her 'power' to begin with, I swear people didn't use to be this dumb about politics but here we are ...
It's politics as team sport. They see this as DSA trading away their star quarterback
I think what they mean by power is prominence. Outside of their association with her there is little the DSA could cite to the layperson to attest to their relevance. I respect them for what they did sticking by their principles, but this will materially make DSA a more niche, underfunded and fringe organization than it was already, though it was already flopping due to mismanagement.
Purity tests are pragmatic. The almost 200k already dead in Gaza are the biggest problem right now bar none. Our only advocate in Congress being squishy about it isn't going to fix that.
People get too attached to an individual like aoc and it blinds them.
That's the thing though. For supposed socialists, not supporting genocide or opposing a seller colonial entity aren't purity tests. It's practically calling the presence of hemoglobin in red blood cells a purity test.
The thing people are missing when they scream at Redditors about genocide or Gaza to justify dropping support for AOC is that most people including the leftmost Democratic voter who sheds tears about Gaza still feels an abroad Arab person's life to be of lower worth than a White or Asian life on a visceral and subconscious level. I even include most of the people who attended the Free Palestine protests among this, I am sure some swathe of them will object to this move by the DSA too.
You cannot counterargue with these people effectively by mentioning the Gazan death toll, or even sharing gruesome images of civilian casualties, because Israel-Gaza will always be clocked by them as a pet issue in relation to domestic policy. Americans as a whole have sat through too many wars and their accompanying propaganda, and are too poorly traveled to have any better than an elevated noble savage view of any wartorn impoverished nation's people. Even garnering sufficient support for ending the war and blight relies more on appealing to these people's western chauvinism than their sincere empathy for Gazans as fellow human beings
Yes, this wouldn't have happened if DSA was a democratic org, but we aren't, the NPC elections makes the Electoral College look good, so we have a bunch of PMC Maoists who don't like electoral politics making calls like this.
Tagline material
Critical support to BMF in general but uncritical support to BMF in fighting their lib doppelganger
they're mad that the Stalinist and Marxist Caucuses are winning leadership over DSA rn
what has aoc actually done other than stump for biden recently
it was cool when she advocated for the green new deal and pushing amazon out of queens, but I think those were both over 5 years ago now
File those performative articles of impeachment against Clarence Thomas.
And, "it's what the unions wanted!" about the railroad strike.
But that's the kind of power we lost! How horrible ...
She has turned into a centrist that might still give some lip service to the left now and again
all of it was just performative of course so it wasn't really cool either
The more it is evident that the US empire is on the decline and fascism in the western world is on the upswing the less I care about sucdem liberals and their tailism.
The coming decades are going to be marked with the US losing it and it's political order's grip on countries around the world, as well as climate disaster and the immigration/refugee crisis that will follow it.
The answer to this will inevitably be fascism, but no one on the American "left" seems to be operating under this reality.
Catering only to the backwardness and comfort of the American working class and liberal sensibilities will do nothing to fight this or advance the cause of socialism without principled anti-imperialism.The sucdems can tut-tut and go "how do you expect to build your movement" but if it's a movement of social chauvinists then it doesn't matter.
Frankly, I don't think there is any timeline where the US is saved from fascism internally as things stand.The sucdems can tut-tut and go "how do you expect to build your movement" but if it's a movement of social chauvinists then it doesn't matter.
If the Nazis are winning you should just let the Nazis into your party and then you’ll be winning too
You should also back Nazis in the opposition to play exestential chicken with the electorate where they only have a choice between good cop Nazi or Bad Cop Nazi. This is smart and pragmatic strategy that adult politicers do.
The DSA is probably the most relevant socialist political organization in north america, but there's a point C.Derrick Varn makes that I find very astute and is proven by the comments in that reddit post, if the DSA ever adopts a program, regardless of what's in it, it would immediately split
its potential is quite untapped to many hexbears here, like right now the marxist group is kicking out the social democrat leadership
I'm aware, it's something to look forward to but it's bound to result in a lot of soft leftists leaving because it won't be a democrat electing machine
Didn’t the post you’re replying to make the point that if that group obtained leadership and exercised power, it would split?
if that group obtained leadership and exercised power, it would split?
I meant more, if it clarified its direction and goal, it would split because it's big enough and does enough different things (or is a vehicle for people to do different things) that people join it for all types of reasons whether that be tenant organizing or electing progressive democrats, so people would probably leave if the org stopped facilitating one or the other
Still true that it has a lot of potential
it really doesn't have the centralization to do anything about that anyway. Its either the marxists taking over or the collaborators
You probably know more than I do, and I’d always prefer the Marxists lmao
nah dsa infighting is fuckin weird
like stalinists and trots are just two of the several factions that somehow don't explode next to each other
The DSA has set back progress for a generation acting like an arm of the DNC. It took the Bernie energy and squandered it, leaving actual leftist parties to starve and rot.
working as intended.
Technically this was because NYC-DSA requested to withdraw their nomination (which had already been approved) so as not to have a public rift and not because of her atrocious politics. Ultimately probably good for the org to cut ties before she votes for a bill saying Palestinians are subhuman but it's still kinda pathetic.
Oh it's absolutely pathetic. They should have cut ties with her when she backpedaled her first marginally pro-palestine interview shortly after she got elected (if I'm remembering correctly, could've been before). But the DSA isn't a serious organization so we get this too little too late severing.
Lmao of course it’s over AOC. The Obama for zoomers is going to continue to be a thorn in the side of leftists
The American left is good at one thing, and that's shooting their own foot.
*Global Left
Nah, the left just got their shit together in France and the UK and the left have made great leeway globally. The American left is something else though.
I forgot these people think the left is in the west.
Very recently, a statue of Anne Frank in the Netherlands was vandalized with the word Gaza graffitied on it I'm not kidding look it up. What does a teenage Holocaust victim have to do with what's happening now? She never lived in Israel, she was just an innocent Jewish teenager known for her diary.
Gee IDK what does an innocent teen genocide victim have to do with the current genocide committed by the "state" that uses that genocide as a shield to comit genocide against chiildren?
if 
doesn't want to be compared to the Nazis, they simply need to stop acting like the Nazis.Your contribution was removed for discouraging voting
Lol holy shit like the phrase "don"t vote for X" is grounds for removal in a post of the DSA removing their support for voting AOCIA.
You wanna walk a narrowline between antisemitism and antizionism in NY of all places lol, I have to imagine you are knowingly committing political suicide
I agree with Einstien's assessment of
. It has become a fascist project. Zionist aims over there are incompatable with the Jewish faith. I stand with my Othrodox Jewish brothers and sisters.Yes I blame the Republicans for literally proposing policies that want to murder me as a trans person while Biden's DOJ is out there at the Supreme Court right fighting for my right to live.
Wonder why the left has zero solidarity on that
Could have fooled me because there is ZERO JACK SHIT from the Democrats preventing these criminalizations. If there is they certainly aren't publicized anywhere.
Why aren't transgender people seeing progress with Biden. Hmmmmmm....
