• TheDeed [he/him, comrade/them]
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    I appreciate what China is doing in regards to building socialism but yeah most everything else seems fucked. I have a hard time defending China.

    As a black lgbt person I’m like 99% certain China would be a nightmare. Probably less of a nightmare than the USA tho.

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      Chinese person here and yup, it mostly comes from consuming American media as far as I can tell but older Chinese people usually do not have positive opinions of black people. I've had a hard time convincing elderly Chinese Maoists who lived through WW2 and are as anti-imperialist as any western leftist that black people aren't lazy(and are the fucking backbone of our horrific economy).

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        Does the party have an official position on anti-black racism? Does it figure in the propaganda?

        Like USSR was all in on decrying US racism. By the time I was eight I had to learn like three poems about oppression of black workers by capitalist America...

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          Yeah they do, in the recent instance of African tenants getting evicted in Guangzhou during COVID, it was the result of local government laws on housing and testing, but also racism, to some extent. Once the central govt became aware if the issue and promised to resolve it, they did so, and it no longer became a story.

          China's got a way to go in terms of the people's perception of race (partly because of Western attitudes and partly because, due to economic circumstances, many of its people are still not as exposed to foreigners as you or I have), but the Central govt is not inflaming racial hatred, rather, I think they have a more mild anti-racist view on the matter. They're reporting a lot on the BLM protests too if I remember correctly, and it's mostly positive coverage supporting the protests I think

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            Guangzhou has a very visible African minority population, probably the largest of any mainland city. China like the rest of Asia is super colorist, and there's a lot of inter-ethnic developing world one-upmanship that goes on. So yes, many Han Chinese people are uncriticly racist--but not to the same systemic level in any way towards black people as what we see in the US. Anecdotally, black people often have wildly different experiences travelling in China, and often have the feeling of being treated more as a foreigner than as a black person, if you get what I mean.

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      Yeah, there's definitely some culturally conservative views in China about black people and homosexuality. It's not nearly as terrible as America (I don't think you'll get shot or lynched or anything) it's just more of a pervasive non-understanding. I think that's something that can be fixed though. China's pretty good at doing the propagandizing and if the party decided to adopt a platform that's more accepting of homosexuality, I feel like most people would fall in line pretty quickly. It's weird that that hasn't happened though. One legit criticism of China that you don't actually hear a lot about in American news.

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            Your phrasing is problematic. It's "Chinese person" not "Chinese" and there's no "average Chinese person" for the billion people who live there. Just say there's a lot of racist Chinese people.

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                stuff it up your butt, acknowledging societal racism is necessary

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                    Nobody is trying to dehumanize Americans and Americans don't mind being called Americans. People are trying to dehumanize Chinese people and 'a chinese', 'the blacks', 'the gays' etc have a historic use as an othering slur.

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        Cool edit, you definitely don't seem like a racist anymore!

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          Yeah this guy is suspect. He also made some joke about Joe Biden promising to pardon Bill Cosby to get the black vote. Like, poor taste dude.

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          The bit where they bring up the Yellow Turban Rebellion is by far the worst part too. Imagine if I brought up some ancient Roman war crime in the same way.

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            It's not hard to make a small edit to your comment and move on. Grow up. I condemned the Chinese Government a bunch of times today without using racist language. It's not hard.

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                The "two things can be bad at once" argument is also applied to racist language. I'm a queer anarchist. The fact that you've double downed so hard on such a minor problematic mis-phrasing makes you look like a racist.

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                    No I wouldn't have whined at all because that's true. "The average chinese is extremely racist" is a garbage statement

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        didn’t handle the yellow turban rebellion well

        Wait, what lasting effects did an uprising like two thousand years ago had on Chinese culture?

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        Kenya has had a recent trend of Chinese owned restaurants with “no blacks allowed” policies... in Kenya...

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            Afaik a lot of this is happening again in context to covid. Same as this: https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/05/china-covid-19-discrimination-against-africans .. the problem is, its hard to find a good source regarding the ssa region and i cant remember where i read about it.

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        The situation in africa is also complicated regarding racism on the side of chinese workers, especially in the corona crisis, as black workers are seen as dirty and disease spreading and are treated accordingly. (There actually is a source for that, but i'll have to search for it again, as i didnt write it down)

        Edit: looks like the situation for all black people in china is like that: https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/05/china-covid-19-discrimination-against-africans

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            That's why I get an my information about China from the unbiased Epoch Times!

            /s obviously

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            Which sources would you accept? Because this problematic is well documented..

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                Theres a diplomatic complaint by a lot of countries of the ssa region* regarding treatment of their citizens in china and thats not based on hrw..

                *Edit

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                  do those diplomats take money from the US state department? have you looked at their connections to the US military industrial complex? the NGO complex?, etc etc

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                    These diplomats also take money from chinese sources in a lot of cases, as china is way more economically active in the region, they wouldnt risk this economic support over mere american propaganda.

                    Edit: misread your message, i'll look into it..