IDK, maybe when more people here are getting screwed over, libs will radicalize and get off their asses instead of trying to guilt us for not giving legitimacy unconditionally to their favorite “lesser evil” bourgeois party.

Of course, using their meager leverage to extract concessions from the people supposedly representing them never crosses their minds…

Also imagine having the audacity to call us privileged when you see what’s going on in Gaza as a “single issue” instead of an escalation of violence by the ruling class that can and will go back to us.

  • EstraDoll [she/her]
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    1 month ago

    "well they might be killing arab babies but we have to vote for the party that will save the vulnerable minority groups back home" - someone who thinks that voting for the dems will save any of these groups

  • ChaosMaterialist [he/him]
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    1 month ago

    :posting: :posting: :posting:

    Tapping the sign again...

    :posting: :posting: :posting:

    Half of the electorate does not vote, outnumbering all voters of any persuasion combined.

    If you are scolding people about voting, start pounding pavement drumming up those votes. Doorknocking means actually listening to other people's issues and being persuasive, not being a judgemental prick blasting others in yet another moral screed.

    previously... previously... previously... previously...

  • thelastaxolotl [he/him]
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    1 month ago

    There is no one more privileged than people that treat genocide as a small issue

  • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 month ago

    If I hear one more liberal say single issue, I'm gonna snap. It's like saying, "Oh, you're not gonna vote for hitler just because he wants to kill all the jews and communists, when he has so many other great things planned??? Well I've never been a single issue voter.

    If genocide doesn't count as an important enough deal-breaker to these people, they are soulless ghouls who don't deserve rights.

  • Tiocfaidhcaisarla [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 month ago

    Ok, I'll be a multi issue voter then.

    What has the current administration done for queer, disabled, or homeless people?

    Yeah. The people I know that fit these categories are near unanimously saying Free Palestine

    • CupcakeOfSpice [she/her]
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      1 month ago

      Exactly what I was thinking. No, Republicans aren't going to make things better for queer, disabled, and homeless people, but I was watching the Democrats with hope. My first presidential election I voted for Biden, hoping he could improve mental health care and LGBT+ rights. (and others, but these affect me personally) The party then proceeded to fail to deliver any of that. AND THEN they went to go fund and supply a genocide. Didn't know the bar could go lower but damn if it didn't get down.

    • Grandpa_garbagio [he/him]
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      1 month ago

      The people I know that fit these categories are near unanimously saying Free Palestine

      Same. I feel like a lib whenever I'm around anyone I know fitting that description lol, they're way more hard lined than I am

  • Evilsandwichman [none/use name]
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    1 month ago

    "single issue"

    Yeah, because outright saying "people don't want to vote for Biden solely because they oppose genocide" would make you sound like a ghoul

    • TheLepidopterists [he/him]
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      1 month ago

      Yeah that's the weirdest part.

      He also broke the rail strike. He has concentration camps for asylum seekere at the border! He presided over the dismantling of abortion rights, and didn't use the expansive powers the court gave him to protect them. He's funneling weapons to Banderites (gotta be extra careful with this spicy one here, libs love Banderites). He was, relatedly, clearly involved in corruption in Ukraine with his kid. He didn't immediately kill, publicize and disavow the anti-vax conspiracy theory psyop he inherited from Trump.

      The truth is that if he was otherwise perfect but still supported genocide, I would be a single issue voter and refuse to vote for him or for Kopmala, but I'm actually not a single issue voter, I already hated this old demonic cadaver.

      • Zvyozdochka [she/her, comrade/them]
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        1 month ago

        Sorry sweaty, New York Times told me that Azov is reformed now and that they're actually just really wholesome freedom fighters now

  • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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    1 month ago

    There's a hell of a lot more people who are homeless now than there were before Israel started dropping bombs but you do you I guess

    • Roonerino [they/them]
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      1 month ago

      Not to mention that, statistically, Israel has definitely killed thousands of queer Palestinians in Gaza over the last year, and both killed and created many thousands of disabled people too obviously.

      It's a deeply unserious take.

      • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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        1 month ago

        It's just so self-evidently argument from "I don't care about these peoples' suffering but I can tell you do so I'm going to shove them in your face so I can get what I want" that I'm amazed they think it works.

  • WhatDoYouMeanPodcast [comrade/them]
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    1 month ago

    Reminds me of this post I made 5 months ago. Might come in handy. Please add onto it and correct me because I'm a LIB about your favorite issue and was spitballing for a couple minutes


    I don't think Biden being a pragmatic choice is a settled matter. I haven't seen anything that implies he is a meaningful distinction on things I care about.

    Israel? Nope

    Student debt? Nope

    Abortion? Nope

    Unions? Nope

    Climate change? Nope

    The border? Nope

    Homelessness? Nope

    War on drugs? Nope

    Inflation? Nope

    Tax lobbying? Nope

    Healthcare? Nope

    LGBT protection? Maybe if you squint your eyes

    Campaign finance? Nope

    Difference between productivity and purchasing power? Nope

    Copyright? Nope

    Breaking up big business monopolies? Nope

    Oh yeah...

    And...

    WAR????????????????? FUCKING NO

    The worst most hawkish fascist military might that has ever existed and continues to constrict the entire planet? Nope

    The only difference is whether fascists get radicalized or they get emboldened

  • GalaxyBrain [they/them]
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    1 month ago

    I'm friends with a good chunk of the homeless people in town and a lot of my friends who aren't homeless were for a very long time and like 4 work in shelters. When I rented a house with 2 other people our living room basically had a rotation of couch crashers so people could sleep inside, get access to a kitchen and shower. And this wasn't a charity thing, they were just friends of either me or my roommates or usually all 3. I can say with absolute certainty, for the most part homeless people don't care who's in office cause no politician has any urge to help them. Also there are some REALLY reactionary homeless people too, they're disadvantaged people, not your political bludgeon

  • wtypstanaccount04 [he/him]
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    1 month ago

    There are queer people, disabled people, and homeless people in Palestine. Why do they matter less than people where you live?

    WHY DO THEY MATTER LESS MOTHERFUCKER? big-honk

  • SkingradGuard [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 month ago

    none of those communists know a queer, disabled or homeless person

    Based on the very small hexbear user base, isn't that many of us western leftists??? The rest of the self described "leftists" in the west are usually just socdems who actually fit that description much more than applies to us.

    • hypercracker [he/him]
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      1 month ago

      (spoiler: this person has never interacted with any of those people)

    • Amerikan Pharaoh@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 month ago

      Two of three, and if I'm especially unlucky after I get my degree, I'll hit the trifecta. I hate it when the crackers think they're gonna be cute and use a disadvantaged group they don't give an actual shit about as a cudgel...

  • Greenleaf [he/him]
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    1 month ago

    gigachad-hd Yes I am a single issue voter. My single issue is anti-genocide gigachad-hd

  • piccolo [any]
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    1 month ago

    Hey LIB s, what colour is the party banning homelessness in California?

    (cw: genocide of people experiencing homelessness, new york crimes): https://archive.is/vnKRJ

  • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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    1 month ago

    I know accelerationism might not be the best thing, but the way libs talk makes me want Trump to win.

    They created the monster that is the modern GOP by voting for an innefectual "lesser evil" that bends over for the right. They supported a weak, anti-left, genocidal Democrat party that refuses to protect its people from fascism and the results is people are going to vote for the other guy because these Libs keep telling them the only thing that can do to change anything is vote.

    Well if you aren't going to meaningfully fix the problems people face day to day, and tell them they can't overthrow the government, people are to say "well all I can do is vote for the other guy then."

    Liberals will end up with this horrible wet clown as a president and it will be exactly what they fucking deserve.

    • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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      1 month ago

      Accelerationism is using power or influence to make conditions worse, under the assumption that worse conditions will lead to radical outcomes. We have no power or influence to begin with. What you're describing is schadenfreude.

      Accelerationism itself is basically is a myth made up by liberals. It implies the left has the power to make everyone's life substantially worse on a material basis, but every indication shows whatever meager amount of power the left has at its disposal is spent on the exact opposite - things like mutual aid, labor organizing, literacy, political analysis, etc.

      • Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 month ago

        The idea of accelerationism goes back quite a bit more actually. For instance, marx once remarked that he will be voting in favour of free trade because it will speed up the contradictions of capitalism.

        Accerlationism as making conditions worse to induce radicalise is a gibberish ideology, but accelerationism as making use of capitalism's few "progressive" tendencies is standard marxist practice. Dengism can also be viewed as the latter type of accelerationism.

    • Amerikan Pharaoh@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 month ago

      It's like the 'punchline' from the shitty Joaquin Phoenix joker movie. "You get what you fucking deserve", except this time it actually is a funny punchline because they claim to not want him but do everything in their power to deserve him

      Gomorran-assed country; I live in Babylon and will live to see her gutted

      • Dirt_Owl [comrade/them, they/them]
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        1 month ago

        Democrats will do everything the GOP will do. Half the reason for my frustrations are because, like I said, the Dems did not and will not protect queer and marginalised people.

        I really should have said "almost want Trump to win" though. I was mostly being faceous. Trump winning wouldn't solve anything.

  • Teekeeus [comrade/them]
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    1 month ago

    more americans should just openly admit they hate people outside their borders

    • AndJusticeForAll [none/use name]
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      1 month ago

      It's not hatred, it's indifference as well as an ideology that renders anyone outside their own lives as sacrificial red shirts to be used up by global capitalism. They view people the same way they view dormant oil reserves.